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Nitrification on different filter media

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After my nitrification priming experiment I have decided to do the same but with different filter media types. So I have chosen 4 candidates for this test at July 16:

  • HelX rings: I've pushed them in a filter bag to avoid 'cheating' with free floating
  • 20 PPI foam: 2021-07-16 20.07.20.jpg
  • Used Seachem Matrix and some ceramic rings: I have soaked them in NaOCl for some days, then washed with Hydrogen Peroxide and finally with water and Sodium Tiosulphate to remove chlorine
  • Blue matala mat
So here is a picture of the bottles:
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I have attached to each bottle an air stone trying to cover the most of the surface (in case of ceramics, I had to fix the filter bag close to the bottle top, so even ceramics was like 'floating' in a stream of bubbles):
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Then I've added my tap water (with chlorine removed), 2ppm ammonia and the same 'seed': 1ml of Seachem Stability and some garden soil.
In the first weeks I've measured ammonia adding new portion of ammonia (from NH4Cl) once its level was depleted.

After one day I could see nitrification started merely in HelX rings:
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After three days:
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So I can clearly state that the ammonia stage of nitrification started quite soon, but how powerful it was...
The problem was that nitrites level were very low for theoretical ammonia oxidation. E.g. for each mol of NH4 it must produce 1 mol of NO2 which has much higher molar mass. Indeed, on the next week of the experiment I've seen a completely different picture.
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Nitrites were much lower in the Ceramics sample and I could not explain it by just the 'superiority' of ceramics. I wish I could measure nitrates, of course, but aquarium nitrates tests are way too coarse to catch any difference counting that my tap water has high nitrates as is. I have asked this question to the author of the aquariumscience.org (Dave) and he presumed that this effect might be caused by assimilatory denitrification: so heterotrofic bacteria like had eaten some of the ammonia to oxidise the remaining organics in my 'used' ceramics. It seems that his conclusion was totally right and to be honest, Seachem Stability was also 'cheating' in the same way: it added heterotrofic bacteria which had used extra ammonia without Nitrite/Nitrate conversion.
During the next week, I have found much higher levels of nitrites than it were initially (I've added the same ammonia levels and changed 100% of water at some point).

So during the second week I've found that 3ppm ammonia were oxidised in 3 days:
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But the nitrites levels were totally different:
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So I've spent the next month by adding ammonia and measuring nitrites till the point when the nitrites oxidation speed grew to the acceptable point. During this time, I have tried many things like sugar or urea to understand their influence on the bacteria (e.g. sugar definitely inhibited nitrifiers, presumably because of the concurrency for oxygen, whilst urea had some small positive effect). And all the time, plastic rings were the best in terms of ammonia/nitrites oxidation performance...

Nonetheless, a couple of days ago, I have changed the water and added 3ppm ammonia as usually:
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Measured ammonia after 2 hours:
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Then after 4 hours:
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(as you can see, ceramics was quite fast in terms of ammonia, but HelX seemed to be more reactive in terms of nitrites).
Then after 6 hours:
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And after 18 hours (nitrites only, as ammonia was apparently 0 everywhere):
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So after this experiment, I can conclude merely one thing: there is no significant difference between filter media in terms of pure nitrification. Of course, in a real aquarium pure nitrification is just a small fraction from the full nitrogen cycle especially when it comes to the surface requirements...
All media is visually and sensibly clean: no signs of mug nor dirt, so it seems you cannot really observe nitrifiers, unlike heterotrofic bacteria in your filter. It also seems that you cannot just 'cheat' mother nature by trying to seed your nitrogen cycle: it soften the peaks but the full establisment indeed takes a time. You can also cheat this process by using of good bacteria from the bottle but it doesn't look like it helped over time: I still had to wait for a long time to establish nitrites phase.
I have also tries to inhibit nitrification activity on foam and matala mat by washing the foam and adding chlorine to matala mat, but it seems this post is already too heavy for these results, so I'll post update in the reply.
 
So here is an update about inhibiting of the nitrification. I have washed my foam thoroughly in the tap water, squeezing the foam several times. Then I've filled all 4 samples with the water and added 2 drops of 1% NaOCl sollution to the sample with Matala mat (to achieve ~1ppm free chlorine concentration). Subsequently I have added 3 ppm ammonia (well, I've delayed that by 30 minutes to avoid NaOCl and NH4 reaction) to all samples and measured ammonia in 4 hours:
2021-09-10 09.56.25.jpg and almost no NO2: 2021-09-10 09.56.21.jpg
After 6 hours:
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Still no ammonia reduction...
After 18 hours:
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The foam sample has somehow managed to utilise ammonia (presumably by bacteria on the bottle sufaces) but chlorine threated sample definitely shows ammonia oxidation inhibition.
 
I wish you had posted ppm information or at least shown the samples directly next to the colorimetry cards so less work is needed to interpret the data, nevertheless nice work!

Goes to show how off all the bad stuff to have in your aquarium (even temporarily) then Chloramine is just about the worst, and that’s just its effect on nitrifying bacteria!

:)
 
I wish you had posted ppm information or at least shown the samples directly next to the colorimetry cards so less work is needed to interpret the data, nevertheless nice work!
The ammonia test is just an API test, that is based on salicilate, so it changes colour from yellow (0 ppm) to blue (>5ppm) depending on ammonia content. Nitrite test I've used was nllabs test and then (when it was over) I've switched to API test. API nitrites test is slightly different: it masks transparent colour on 0ppm with blue-ish colour and combines it with red to purple complex with nitrites level grow. So I've mosltly observed blue to yellow transform for ammonia and purple to transparent/blue for nitrites.
I didn't care about the exact ppm's as my experiment was not very precise by design: e.g. the volume and the amount of filter media was definitely not 100% equal. I just wanted to understand if there was really a significant difference between filter media if it comes to pure nitrification. And it turns out there is no such a difference indeed.
Goes to show how off all the bad stuff to have in your aquarium (even temporarily) then Chloramine is just about the worst, and that’s just its effect on nitrifying bacteria!
Yes, indeed, but it might also depend on concentration. WHO defines 5ppm of free chlorine as a limit for drinking water whilst UK water providers 'usually' do not exceed 1ppm of free chlorine. But even 1ppm seems to be bad enough...
 
I just wanted to understand if there was really a significant difference between filter media if it comes to pure nitrification. And it turns out there is no such a difference indeed.
In fact, pure nitrification never happens in aquaria and their filters. Nitrifiers always suffer from competition with heterotrophs. So, if given filtration media is attractive to heterotrophs, we can assume it's not very suitable for hosting nitrifiers. As far as I know, plastic 'broken toys' (Kaldness) are used to host nitrifying microbes because they are not well-suited to heterotrophs.
A few years ago I've performed a similar experiment. Unlike you, I have quite good stuff to measure ammonia, nitrites, and even nitrates. I compared small filters with various filtration media with the very same small filter without any media (just forcing the water movement), but with a handful of sand at the bottom of the tank. The differences were insignificant, negligible.
I came to conclusion that microbes do not require any chambre separée (meaning a filter). After that, I quit all filtration in all my tanks. True, my tanks are never overcrowded with fish. But that should be the norm, shouldn't it? In my opinion, filters make sense only if this norm cannot be observed for one reason or another.
That said, I always duly care for oxygenation and good water flow.
 
Nitrifiers always suffer from competition with heterotrophs.
They do - adding sugar in my experiment has literally stopped the nitrification, but in a mature tank it doesn't really matter, as heterotrophic bacteria emit ammonia as a by-product, so there are actually more like symbiotic relations between heterotrophs and chemoautotrophs (nitrifiers). Of course, it is true if and only if there is enough oxygen and anough surface to settle. Again, in a mature system, nitrifiers and heterotrophs live together in symbiosis as the main limiting factor is the availability of the organics to decompose. Unlike waste water treatment, the organics level are much less than available oxygen and even surface in an auquarium if we use somehow decent filter media.
As far as I know, plastic 'broken toys' (Kaldness) are used to host nitrifying microbes because they are not well-suited to heterotrophs.
Plastic is not the best media for biofloc, as it is easier to be washed by the water flow (but it doesn't really matter as biofloc can grow very fast because it is mostly formed from heterotrohic bacteria). However, it is not true for biofilms, especially in mature tanks, where you might need to use something like bleach to wipe bacteria out. I use plastic media in all my filters but even that media sometimes require cleaning, especially with lot's of plants/CO2/mineral nutrition. Anyway, since I'm using ammonia fertilisers in my plants tanks and I have a significant overstocking in my fish tanks I'd say that this filter media works really well for the both of the worlds :)
 
Hi all,
This is an interesting thread, for some reason I seem to have missed it altogether when it was posted.

<"Nitrification on different filter media">,
...... Again, in a mature system, nitrifiers and heterotrophs live together in symbiosis as the main limiting factor is the availability of the organics to decompose. Unlike waste water treatment, the organics level are much less than available oxygen........
That is definitely where I'm coming from as well.
I came to conclusion that microbes do not require any chambre separée (meaning a filter). After that, I quit all filtration in all my tanks. True, my tanks are never overcrowded with fish. But that should be the norm, shouldn't it? In my opinion, filters make sense only if this norm cannot be observed for one reason or another. That said, I always duly care for oxygenation and good water flow.
I think in our tanks this is true, but a lot of fish-keepers have <"insane stocking densities">.

cheers Darrel
 
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