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My first ever aquarium. Juwel Rio 180l

Hi,
The water quality of a planted tank will normally be excellent as long as the plants are healthy and as long as the water changes are large and regular, so I really don't think that's something to worry about. As I mentioned before, if the tank is CO2 injected then new arrivals may have a little difficulty in the beginning until their bodies adapt to the higher concentration levels.

The difficulty in acclimation really has more to do with the shock associated with transport, as well as the apprehension associated with getting accustomed to the new setting and the new tank mates. If I captured you with a net, threw you into a plastic bag and dumped you 8000 miles away from anyplace you have ever known, I think you would be a little shocked as well.

There are plenty of books out there related to the hobby, but most topics of discussion will be about physiology, the mechanics and logistics of tanks and other things such as diseases and treatments. I grew up reading books by Herbert R. Axelrod. Just search Amazon and you'll find loads of his books ranging from simple beginners guides to complete compendiums.

Other then general descriptions, you're not likely to find books detailing the specifics of behavior unless the topic is breeding. Books or websites dedicated to specific species will have more information on behavior though so you'd have to search for sites or books for Swordtails, or Platy's or whatever. Then you find data from hobbyists who specialize in keeping those breeds. Besides the species specific behavioral patterns, behavior differs depending on setting, population density, temperature, lighting as well as what the other tankmates are. New arrivals are stressed because they do not know what predators are in the vicinity, for example. Behavior will change after the period of adjustment.

Tetras are open water swimmers and are generally gregarious fish, so specimens that hang about by themselves may be suffering some malady or stress. Dwarf Chiclids are loners and therefore seek shade and solitude. If they move quickly or if they dart about then something is wrong. Livebearers are also schooling fish but are OK in small groups. High population density for almost all fish results in greater aggression or predatory behavior. There are so many variations on behavioral themes that it's better to simply observe for now and to not worry so much. If a behavior seems strange intuitively or if it differs markedly from the others of the same group then this can be considered suspicious. Much of the behavior we observe in the tank probably is not representative of behavior in the wild so this is a difficult topic in which to be precise.

Cheers,
 
Day 78 - Case of the disappearing Amano's

Thanks Ceg 4048 for the pointers. I was fast coming to the conclusion that learning about the behaviours was an observation thing rather than finding much on the web.

So one week on, I decided to thin out some of the plants.

In order, I pulled the Java Fern on the bogwood out to thin out, I gently pushed the sand and substrate that was underneath to try and release any build up of gases, which a few bubbles did materialise.

Trimmed other plants, gently uproot another plant at the end of the tank to try and help promote flow around the tank as I dont have a flow bar, just the outlet from the Juwel Bioflow kit filter. I keep reading about CO2, Flow and light all affect algae.

Then did a bit of hoovering of the stuff that was under the bog wood (not sure what the brown bits were. But they are gone now.

Got the toothbrush out to brush off 10 dots of the tough green algae and small brown patches of brown algae near the substrate.

Then...
Carried out a 70% water change (which is stunning to see how much water is left after).

Question What is the best way to take out the water and put new water in? - Currently I use a bucket to scoop out a few bucketfuls making sure no forna is captured in the process (not sure what the fish think). Then I resort to the fat boy siphon to get the remaining water out into the bucket which is then chucked out into the garden.

Putting the water back in - I fill a bucket up, add the appropriate amount of de-chlorinator and then pour into the filter which then flows out of the outlet pipe. Clearly this does not disturb the substrate etc, but with 70% of the water going back in being cold tap water what is the impact of temperature on the flora and forna which have all been used to 23 degree temps until the filter and heater get switched on and few hours later the tank gets back to operating temperature?

Added 2 more guppies (snakeskin ones) to keep the 2 from last week a bit of company. I took my time to introduce these ones to the tank spending 2 hours to aclimatise the temp in their bag as well as adding small amounts of tank water to the bag. As soon as they were added to the tank all 4 guppies seemed to make friend and go off around the tank together. Very cool.

A few hours later I dropped in a cube of Tropical mix (blood worm and daphnia) frozen food, which was great fun for everyone to watch. Fish loved it.

The Change
Since the trimming, water change and additional guppies the ank appears to be livelier, the fish are swimming around brilliantly. But the shrimp seem to be missing apart from Jacques (kids named it after Finding Nemo) the only Cherry which for the first time is taking centre stage at the front of the tank amongst the grass. The amano's appear to have gone away. I have spotted one or two lurking amongst the flora but normally they are all over, scrounging around on the rocks hanging off leaves etc.

R
 
Hi Rolymo,
If the distance from the tank to the garden isn't too long you can just get a cheap submersible pump (or even an external pump)and attach the output end to the long tubing that goes out to the garden, or to the sink in the winter. That way you don't have to carry any buckets, which are such a drag. Likewise, you can connect the tubing to the faucet and run it straight to the tank, which likewise avoids buckets. On some models of submersibles, the inlet is the entire base of the pump. On other models there is a dedicated inlet spud. These give you a bit more control because you can then attach a hose with an inlet mesh which, depending on the grain size of your substrate, can be pushed down into the sediment to clean it out and can be inserted into the plant beds to pull out trapped dirt as you shake things out. You can see a picture of this contraption on page 3 of http://www.ukaps.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6331&hilit=lagoon&start=20 where I just combined the bottom piece of an Eheim intake tube assembly with an adapter and hose to siphon out dirt. Read the little blurb in that post about how to get the best out of the water change. Your dechlor can go directly in the tank anytime. it's not really a big deal.

The same pump can be used to pull water from your bathtub or sink and to send it to the tank, and that way you can control the temperature of the new water by filling the sink to the desired temperature. Normally, having new water a few degrees cooler than the tank is OK, but if it's too cold you can drive thermal shock of the fish. the plants don't really care too much.

Cheers,
 
Hello Rolymo

your journal is an absolute gem for any novice and not-so-novice alike! I love the vivid, descriptive and frank observations, actions and remarks you have jotted down. Its absolue pleasure to see how you have been initiated and a progressing in this newish hobby of yours.

Plus the dialogues and feedbacks from others & Clive are also very stimulating... making one think of continual improvements that can and need to be done in the tank.

Do keep us updated on your tank life.

cheers
niru
 
niru said:
Hello Rolymo

your journal is an absolute gem for any novice and not-so-novice alike! I love the vivid, descriptive and frank observations, actions and remarks you have jotted down. Its absolue pleasure to see how you have been initiated and a progressing in this newish hobby of yours.

Plus the dialogues and feedbacks from others & Clive are also very stimulating... making one think of continual improvements that can and need to be done in the tank.

Do keep us updated on your tank life.

cheers
niru
+1 for that Niru,
its great to see someone new to the hobby embracing it, learning, growing with it and most importantly taking enjoyment from it, its a great hobby!.....keep it up Roly, great stuff :thumbup:
 
ceg4048 said:
Hi Rolymo,
If the distance from the tank to the garden isn't too long you can just get a cheap submersible pump (or even an external pump)and attach the output end to the long tubing that goes out to the garden, or to the sink in the winter. That way you don't have to carry any buckets, which are such a drag. Likewise, you can connect the tubing to the faucet and run it straight to the tank, which likewise avoids buckets. On some models of submersibles, the inlet is the entire base of the pump. On other models there is a dedicated inlet spud. These give you a bit more control because you can then attach a hose with an inlet mesh which, depending on the grain size of your substrate, can be pushed down into the sediment to clean it out and can be inserted into the plant beds to pull out trapped dirt as you shake things out. You can see a picture of this contraption on page 3 of http://www.ukaps.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6331&hilit=lagoon&start=20 where I just combined the bottom piece of an Eheim intake tube assembly with an adapter and hose to siphon out dirt. Read the little blurb in that post about how to get the best out of the water change. Your dechlor can go directly in the tank anytime. it's not really a big deal.

The same pump can be used to pull water from your bathtub or sink and to send it to the tank, and that way you can control the temperature of the new water by filling the sink to the desired temperature. Normally, having new water a few degrees cooler than the tank is OK, but if it's too cold you can drive thermal shock of the fish. the plants don't really care too much.

Cheers,

Ceg4048
Thanks for the ideas and the link to an interesting conversation, which is helping me understand the ferts subject. I am about 50% of the way through the Tropica Premium and Specialised 500ml pumps. So as I get close to the end I need to figure out if I should look at the EI dosing that people seem to be doing versus, just pumping the pre-mixed Tropica stuff. I guess its just a money thing?
 
niru said:
Hello Rolymo

your journal is an absolute gem for any novice and not-so-novice alike! I love the vivid, descriptive and frank observations, actions and remarks you have jotted down. Its absolue pleasure to see how you have been initiated and a progressing in this newish hobby of yours.

Plus the dialogues and feedbacks from others & Clive are also very stimulating... making one think of continual improvements that can and need to be done in the tank.

Do keep us updated on your tank life.

cheers
niru

Niru and Ady34
Your comments and encouragement are gratefully received, thank you.

I don't think I would have got where I am with the tank 3-4 months on without the kind and very willing people contributing to my journal and other small spot posts I have made.

I was thinking the same things as you guys about the conversation streams throughout the Journal and how informative it has been for me and hopefully (and I mean hopefully) other novices who read the journal. I could not have begun to imagine I would have got the responses so early on. Thought it would be, "oh no not another noob, use google, read the posts etc etc", as in other completely different subject forums. But people have contributed even though it does look in some cases, repetition.

I like to think even though there is repetition of some information I have seen a lot more depth than perhaps other posts. Which has been golden for me in my first few months as an absolute beginner.

I actually do re-read the journal and the responses so I can second check that I am doing everything right.

Ceg4048 (not sure I have earned the right to call him Clive yet) has certainly given me a good steer and opened my eyes on the classic Algae, CO2, Light conundrum, allowing me to understand, (I say that loosely as I clearly don't understand the machinations to the molecular level that perhaps Ceg4048 does) appreciate and enjoy all the elements of the tank rather than be disheartened by the classic Algae nightmares that seem to be apparent with other tanks. Pint glass half full guy!! ;)

But then again experiencing the challenges, understanding it and knowing what to do and returning the tank back to its normal equilibrium is part of the fun of looking after a tank.

Surprise
The latest surprise is that I noticed a very small Amano shrimp (2cm long) yesterday. Now I am pretty sure when I originally bought the 10 they were all much larger than 2cm.

I have also spotted one of the larger Amano shrimp with what looks like the eggs in between the legs. But I thought that Amano shimp breeding was done is salt water, a'la in the real work the eggs get washed down the rivers into the sea where birth happens and then the shrimp swim back up as the stream as part of their migratory DNA. Will take a picture or 2 later when the lights come on and will start to play a Sherlock Holmes to understand where this small Amano shrimp has come from.

R
 
Day 85 - Slight browning on the Java Fern & first fatality

Have been going great guns with the tank until the latter part of this week.

Background
I have the CO2 24/7 at approx 1 bubble/3 sec's.
I dose the tank every day first thing in the morning with 3 pumps of Tropica Premium and 2 pumps of Tropica Specialised.
Photo period is currently 6hrs from 4pm until 10pm so kids and adults get to see the tank.
Friday evening is my once a week tank maintenance (in reality I do tend to it during the week, but Fridays is water change unless otherwise needed.

Friday Evening
Got round to examining the tank to work out what plants need trimming and changing, any algae spots that need to be scrubbed off, is everyone healthy? etc.

But as I was doing this I noticed a dead fish that the Amano shrimps were doing their job of consuming. Very alarmed I worked out that it was one of the Diamond Head Neon Tetra's. I quickly look at all the other fish who all seem absolutely fine and dandy, healthy and pleased with themselves. Very gutted however, my first fish fatality. But I was also morbidly fascinated that the clean up crew were going to work on the dead fish. Wondered if I should take the dead fish out, but thought the shrimp were doing a fine job so left it. And indeed the next morning it had disappeared.

I continued with my routine, now adding the stage of rummaging through the plants to release any impurities on the leaves. Prodded the substrate to release any toxic gasses and scrubbed off the small patches of brown algae forming at the bottom next to the substrate.

Changed 40% of the water. Changed the white pad. Rinsed the blue and black (active charcoal) sponges in a bucket of tank water and placed back into the filter.

Everyone happy.

Sunday
Fast forward to Sunday and I have the royal family coming round (my parents) for tea. So turned the tank lights on to do a further spruce of the tank and notice a few plant issues.

The Java Fern appears on some leaves to be going brown (its not algae as it does not wipe off) so I am assuming its melt due to deficiency of something. Also see a few holes in some other of the plants especially ones lower down a plant and the leaves on some are going transparent.

So I have increased the CO2 to 1 bubble every 2 secs, have tweeked the outflow pipe downwards to reduce the suface agitation slightly and hopefully increase a little bit more flow into the tank rather than on the agitation. There is still movement but not so much. Hopefully keeping more of the CO2 in the water column.

Images of the plants here
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Any thoughts and advice most welcome.
Thanks in advance.
R
 
Hi,
You should remove all dead fish immediately. The body rots and fouls the tank.

As the plant mass increases, the need for CO2 increases so you need to add more CO2. Trim the ferns to allow for better penetration. The images you show are classic symptoms of poor CO2. You may need more than a 30% increase in the injection rate, but see how it goes. It may take several weeks for improvements to show. Getting CO2 right is a very tricky business. You might be able to supplement with daily addition of liquid carbon.

Cheers,
 
Thanks Ceg4048.

I had made the decision to increase the CO2, as you say it is logical that as the flora mass increases then the CO2 requirements increase. I can tell I am going to have to fork out for a more professional CO2 setup (with solenoid and proper pro regulator) to provide a more reliable constant CO2.

Will look at the liquid carbon option to supplement the injected supply.

To get over the death of the Diamond Neon Tetra, my daughter did the big eye thing and we bought 4 cardinal tetra's to supplement the shoal. They were introduced over 3 hour period and appear to have settled in nicely.

Just watched the Assassin Snail track down a little common snail and suck the life out of it. Fascinating. Also the Guppies seem to be a playful bunch. Put your hand in and they approach and kiss your arm/hand. Amazing. Although common I would not mind tracking down some fancy colour Guppies that are not quite as common as the LFS breeds.

Even the 2 Red Dwarf Gourami's are fascinating with their slightly cautious behaviour, watching them mingle with the other fish/shrimp.

Still looking out for that special piece of Sumatra wood for a centre (off centre) piece.

Cheers
R
 
Day 104 - A few adjustments to see what will happen

Oooooooh day 104 and my tank community are still all (bar the 1) alive, thriving and appear to be well.

The Java Ferns appear to still have leaves that are going brown from the veins and certain patches on certain leaves. But the majority are fine. Still scrapping off the brown algae of the glass next to the substrate, but I am guessing this is life with a fish tank.

Flow
My concern has shifted to flow and more importantly the flow of pushing the CO2 in the water column around to all parts of the tank to try and stop the issues with the Java Fern and maybe get rid of the brown algae on the glass.

I originally had the output bit of the built in Juwel filter angled to the rear of the tank in the hope that would push the water to the back and then to a circular motion around the tank going anti-clockwise.

My latest test is I have swung the output jet facing the front and due to its angle it actually jets the water to the centre of the tank from the rear of the right hand side, thus potentially creating a figure of eight if the water currents are that strong (not). I cut back the marked Java Fern leaves and also pulled one or 2 cutting that have got unruly.

PFK on the iPad
Over the last 2 weeks I managed to buy Pratical Fishkeeping on the iPad which is a result. No where near me stocks the physical mag and I wanted to see what it was like before committing to a subscription. In the space of 2 weeks I have managed to get 3 issues on the iPad which brighten my occasionally commutes to London up no end.

Now all we need is for PFK to make it a bit more interactive like Empire magazine, plus add a code in the print mag so if you subscribe you get both (which seems to the be trend) print and digital.

What the mag has done for me is to add more imagery to the aquascapes I see on ukaps (clearly there is overlap with some of the contributors of PFK and forum members) and has got me thinking about I would like more (off) centre rock structure with I guess more subtrate to create a scene. Don't get me wrong I love what I achieved, but now I am hungry for more. What the mag doesn't help with is showing me all the lovely ADA stuff which is just a tad too expensive when you tot it all up. I lie, its great to see what people can achieve with all types of budget.

Fish
Anyway PFK mag did show me some new fish which I started to like. I'm sure it was to do with the contrast of the fish against the lush plants in an ADA pimped tank. So today I went to the lfs to get either the Harlequin Rasbora or the Red Phantom Tetra's. Both looked really good in the mag. Both looked ok in the LFS (I had heard their colours get better once in a nice tank). God it was difficult decision. The lure of the contrast of the black tail segment of the Harlequins and they way they dart/swim forward vs the £1 more trendy Red Phantom Tetras.

In the end I went for a nice 10 fish shoal of the Red Phantom Tetra's especially after I got shown some in the LFS long display tank. Looked very cool. Anyway they have been plopped in the tank after having 2 hours of temp and water acclimatisation and are currently milling about in amongst the foliage. Lights on at 16:00 for when the kids come back.

My question of the week..... <drum roll please>
Feeding
When I started the tank and got the first 4 fish (platy's) I was told to feed them only a few granules each of the Tetra Prima every other day. I have over the time tried the live Brine Shrimp, and am regularly giving 1 cube of frozen food, but in place of their Prima food and still every other day.

Now the community has swelled to guppy's, neon tetra's the dwarf Gourami's and the recent editions the Red Phantom Tetra's. Should the feeding regime still be every other day? Is the Prima still enough for the population? I guessing the golden rule is don't overfeed as this increases the bad water.

Feedback welcome.
R
 
Hi Rolymo,
Glad things are going well with the tank. The issues with the fern and the diatomic algae are not inevitable. This indicates an issue with CO2 and flow/distribution. If it's possible to upgrade the pump in your internal mount filter then that might be a possible solution. Ideally, you'd want to pull the internal out, which would be more aesthetically appealing and would give you more real estate in the tank. Then you'd be better served with any strong external canister. The internal is mounted with silicon glue so it's tedious to cut with a razor and to scrape of the residue.

As far as feeding goes I would still follow that golden rule. Fish living in cushy tanks, never having to worry about being chased and eaten, and only having to swim a few meters a day don't really need as much food as people seem to imagine. If they feel hungry then maybe they will eat some of the algae. Hopefully they won't eat any of the plants...

Cheers,
 
Thanks Ceg4048.
Arrghh. i was hoping that I might get through the first year without having to upgrade the kit tank filter to a spanking new Enheim Pro 3e . Is the Juwel Bioflow truly not up to the job? Should I thin the plants a bit as an alternative?
Thanks
R
Oh Some pictures because I know I like looking at the photos in peoples posts. :thumbup:

The Red Phantom Tetras
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The Red Dwarf Gourami
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Guppy
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Platy hanging with his new pals the Red Phantom Tetra's
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Hi mate,
Yeah those are nice shots and it shows that the plants are doing mostly OK. The ferns look a little ragged and I can see a few black spots which a a typical sign that they are having difficulty with CO2. I think keeping everything thinned out is a pretty good alternative. The carpet plants seem to be doing well enough, so I don't think it's an emergency or anything like that. You might even try an injection rate increase or think about adding some of Richards Aquacarbon to supplement CO2 (should be cheaper than Excel).

Cheers,
 
Hi Ceg4048
Phew thanks for confirming the alternative.
I will seek out the aqua carbon, and gentle nudge up the co2 rate.

I took a photo this evening as the fish close ups were not showing the full extent of growth.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s6/s...9cb4ffc546bc/98b79e684018017919fc25ff7cd64a84

Arrows on the photo are to show where I am shifting the plants.
Thoughts welcome
R

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Hi mate,
My personal preference is to hide the big black box in the right rear corner, so I would be more inclined to try a triangular arrangement with the faster growing hygrophila(?) or the cabomba moved more to mask it with progressively lower trims moving diagonally towards the left front corner. The problem with the cabomba is that it is subject to urban sprawl which contributes to flow blockage.

Again, the taller Alternanthera and (what appears to be) some kind of Ludwigia out to be move rearwards just in front of the more sprawling Cabomba. That's just one way of thinking though. There are many possibilities, but having a progressively lower heights towards the front diagonal should theoretically, at least, help with flow distribution.

Cheers,
 
davem said:
The tank looks great. An excellent journal :thumbup:

Thanks Dave, although it looks quite luscious I still need to sort out the CO2 and flow as per the discussion above.

Thanks Ceg4048 for the confirmation in the intake grills.

As both my bottles of Tropica Ferts are starting to get low I have just put in an order for an EI Starter kit from one of the site sponsors (got the 10% off using the forum discount code, thanks). So I look forward to figuring out how to make the mixture relevant to my 180l and the my water hardness.

Not sure what the correct figure to use is? These are the water hardness figures from my local water authority for where I live.
Mg/l CaCO3 ppm CaCO3
294
Clarkes d English
20.5
German dH
16.4
French dF
29.4
Mg/l Calcium
117.5
Mmol/l Alk Earths
2.9

Can anyone suggest which figure I use please?
Thanks in advance.
R
 
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