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  1. Pixels

    Ea Freshwater 900 - planted project!

    This is looking like a cracking start. Have you got any updates/pictures? Also, how do you find the height of the tank/cabinet for doing maintenance etc?
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    Best tank?

    I am also going through the same search. 90cm with a lid for a low tech tank for the lounge. It will be all crypts and epiphytes. I thought the EA Freshwater looked promising, but it's quite tall. I had a tall tank years ago and it was a pain doing maintenance. However, it's still top of my list...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Yeah, I put him into a tank with cherry shrimp, he killed one in about 20 seconds! Which is why I first set up this tank. I ordered the planters from here: http://ripariumsupply.com/ The site/store is run by hydrophyte who is a member on this forum. I definitely recommend the magnetic...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Sorry, a bit slow with the replies. Thanks, it's a great little, very low maintenance tank Thanks Garuf I agree, the tank did look better. But this way it requires so little maintenance. Although I have started looking at the marginals and I still have my hanging planters from riparium...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    A quick update - apologies for the poor quality phone pictures, but you should get the idea! I have recently added a JANSJÖ LED lamp from IKEA. While I like the new minimal look, the light is a bit to yellow for my liking. It usually just has a heater in it, but at the moment it has the...
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    Waveless Box

    Re: Waveless Box - dry start Hello all Thought I would post a quick update on my new DSM project, not a huge amount to report except that the UG is still alive, but it hasn't exactly taken off either. I do however seem to be doing well at growing cyanobacteria! Well I think it's...
  7. Pixels

    Introducing Rummynoses into my tank

    Sounds like they like their new bigger home! Might have to check out this Living Waters one day...
  8. Pixels

    growbeam tiles

    Hi Radik, Thanks for the reply. 5cm is probably about what I have between light and water surface, looks like it could be a winner after all. Cheers Paul
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    growbeam tiles

    I have been considering a pair of these on my 180 litre and would have to be even closer than 10cm. This is the only thing putting me off at the moment. I currently run only a single 39w T5, which doesn't show the fish that well when they swim to front. The Grobeams would provide two light...
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    Introducing Rummynoses into my tank

    Do they always shoal that well? I wish my small tetras and rasbora went to the same shoaling school as your Rummynose's! Cheers Paul
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    NA Style Baby... (Update 24.12)

    Re: NA Style Baby... Wow, that looks great! I'm a big fan of sand. Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    Thanks Tom and Rik - I figure with a dry start I also have some time to tinker with hardscape a bit, especially towards the back as I have yet to plant there. If the UG takes, then I will add more and it will probably be my only plant species. Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    Been a while! So a quick update. Well the original tank kind of got run down while I concentrated on my 180 litre. I am not sure what I want to do in terms of livestock, been thinking about Badis badis, but that will be a while of yet. The tank before it was taken down, no CO2, no liquid...
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    Andyh's 190l Lounge tank (update 20-09-11)

    Re: Andyh's 190l Lounge tank (update 14/12/10) The forum does seem quiet. I'm normally more a watcher than a contributor, but I will try and post more over the Christmas break... Love the Fire Red Viejita Apistogramma's, I have considered some myself as Aquajardin is my LFS. The rest of the...
  15. Pixels

    A few of my Rainbowfish...

    Thanks for the info. I think I will be keeping my eye for some M. praecox now! Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    Thanks Arana - I have been taking note of the settings used by the more talented picture takers on this forum. For me they are a huge improvement. The vali at the back is a very new addition, I'm just not sure it will work out? I need some patience! Cheers Paul
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    A few of my Rainbowfish...

    Thanks for sharing the pics. The idea of adding some rainbows to my 180 litre is really growing on me. They do however appear get quite large! Currently contemplating Melanotaenia praecox, but any alternative suggestions would much appreciated. Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    Re: Fishless Box Thanks andy - the drop checker is pretty sweet. I think my favourite purchase so far. Might add some fish to this tank one day! Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    A long overdue update. The tank has had it ups and downs, a major down being after asking our lodger to dose while I was away, I came back to the most ridiculous amount of algae. Any way most of that seems to be behind me now. Tank still needs a lot of growing in. Some one please suggest...
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    lukes first riparium!

    I recently mixed my shoal in my 180 litre and I'm not sure if it was a wise move. But saying that, I have seen some tanks where it really works? My point being, that I have no point! Tank looks great, I'm hanging on to my planters for when I can fit another, bigger tank into the house that I...
  21. Pixels

    Laimis's Juwel Rio 180

    I guess 400lph is quite a substantial increase in flow. Thanks for the feedback. Paul
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    Laimis's Juwel Rio 180

    Looking good! I notice you are using 2x Koralia 2's, how do you find them flow wise? I have a tank of the same dimensions and I bought a single Koralia Evo 2800, but I feel it is just to powerful! Although I suspect many on here would tell me it is fine? Anyway, can't wait to see this fill...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Thought I would post an in situ shot. Cheers Paul
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    It worked out quite nicely, I was concerned about the size of the tank and the trellis never really worked out. But otherwise I am totally pleased. I guess what I have now doesn't really count as a riparium anymore! Cheers Paul
  25. Pixels

    River Slope

    I like that a lot! Good work. Cheers Paul
  26. Pixels

    My New Bettas (Side Hobby)

    My betta is my desk buddy! Very nice fish you have there as well. Cheers Paul
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Been a while... Pictures I took this morning before I changed everything. It has essentially running on sunlight and a heater. Filters and light were turned off a months ago. Full tank shot A bit closer The rescape Check out the length of the roots Even longer again! Off topic...
  28. Pixels

    Using 24 watt tubes in 39 watt starter?

    Hello all I want to know will there be any problems running 24 watt T5 (x2) in my 39 watt starter unit? Let me set the scene... I have a 180 litre tank planted only with Crypts sp. Formally had pressurised CO2, two 39 watt T5 and JBL 1500, I have since slowly lost the CO2, reduced dosing to...
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    lukes first riparium!

    Now that is looking very good.
  30. Pixels

    The Banyan Forests of Stickleback Island

    Re: Stickleback Island I really like this a lot! Cheers Paul
  31. Pixels

    180L Planted Juwel

    Got any pics? My feeble mind can only cope with shiny images!
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    Fresh start

    Looking good Rik.
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    Koralia EVO 2800 overkill?

    hmm, this may have been a costly mistake! Thanks for the info. Cheers Paul
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    Koralia EVO 2800 overkill?

    I went for the 2800 in the end. I think I will remove the Koralia Nano and see how I get on with one bigger pump. I will let you know how it works out! Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    Hi Paulus I already have some black 90° corners that I have used in the past. But my filter is underpowered as it is, so I am reluctant to do anything to reduce flow, which I felt it did when I used them before. Thanks for the idea though. Cheers Paul
  36. Pixels

    Koralia EVO 2800 overkill?

    Just a quick one. Do you think a Koralia EVO 2800 is overkill on 180 litre tank? The tank currently has a JBL e1500 and Koralia Nano (900l/h), the JBL is quite restricted with a inline heater and aquamedic CO2 reactor? The tank only contains Crypts. Your thoughts would be much...
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    Waveless Box

    It was a bit of a price hike! I couldn't believe the filter had gone up so much when I went to buy one. The moss is growing slow and steady in my nano riparium. 400 litre tank, now that sounds good. Cheers Paul
  38. Pixels

    Opinions on Cal Aqua Labs Efflux F1

    Not attempted yet, but I have been doing some research and came across this website: http://www.teralab.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/Bending_Tubes/Bending_Tubes_Page1.htm I hope to find time tomorrow and will post some pictures of the attempt! Cheers Paul
  39. Pixels

    Opinions on Cal Aqua Labs Efflux F1

    Garuf! That is a great idea! I will go and a blow torch in my lunch break and I will try and post some pictures of my attempt... Cheers Paul
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    Opinions on Cal Aqua Labs Efflux F1

    Thank you both for yor feedback. My current knock off lily pipe sends the flow down to the bottom of the tank and I find am losing a lot overall movement round the tank this way. Although this might be because it is a cheap replica. I think I may go for the Cal Aqua and a bit of surface...
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    Opinions on Cal Aqua Labs Efflux F1

    Hello Does anyone have the Cal Aqua Labs Efflux F1 (13mm) lily pipe? http://www.thegreenmachineonline.com/products/aquatics/filtration-system/lily-pipes/cal-aqua-labs-efflux-f1-13mm I have an ebay lily pipe which points the flow downwards (a lot), I think this (the Cal Aqua) could be more...
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    Waveless Box

    I bought mine after the hike, I managed to find one for £120. But not the £80-90 they used to be :( You have me worried, I have gone back and inspected. The pipe/tube has a lot of slack so I think it will be ok... I guess I will get no sympathy if they break! Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    After 159 days I decided to call it quits on this scape. It never managed to recover from the algae issues that developed while I was on holiday, the end of which then coincided with setting up a 180 litre Crypt tank in the lounge. So with a rescape in mind I decided to order something shiny...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    That plant is one I got after seeing your tank, it is Houttuynia cordata. I would like it to grow a bit lower, but it seems to grow towards the light from the window now. There are often bubbles on the surface these days, but I sure there are less since I lowered the temp. I used to keep the...
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    lukes first riparium!

    This is looking very impressive now. :thumbup: Makes me want a bigger riparium. I wonder what my chances are of getting another tank into the house? :shh:
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Hi TBRO, I do not add anything to the tank, I try and do a 1/3 water change every two weeks (sometimes three) and just top up the water as it needs it. My only minor gripe is the hard water leaving marks and high levels of evaporation from temp of this tank, I have been slowly reducing the temp...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Here we go, some pictures at last. There is now a single Clithon corona in the tank with the Betta, the snail seems to be doing a good job of keeping the glass clean. I think I might shorten Houttuynia cordata and replant as it is a bit leggy (right word?) at the moment. Full tank shot...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    I will post some tonight!
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    Waveless Box

    I hope not many made it into the filter as I have a sponge over my inlet. But I will make sure I am extra careful when I next clean the filter. Cheers Paul
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    Waveless Box

    I was pretty excited to spot the miniture CRS. I'm not sure if it this any bearing, but I was away for a week so no TPN+ was added? Still never had any Cheery shrimp breed though :( Anyway, better pics to follow. Cheers Paul
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    Laputa - Tbro's Nano

    Hi Tbro I must say your tank was one of the first that really caught my attention when I first joined UKAPS, so thanks for the inspiration. I can highly recommend the riparium idea, mine is only in a 17 litre tank on my desk and I love it. Especially now I have all the planters filled...
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    Waveless Box

    It has been a while since I last updated, so I took a quick picture when I got home from work. I moved the moss, it now lives in my riparium and seems to be doing much better. Thanks to jueloo for the Blyxa japonica that has taken its place. CRS are breeding which I am pleased with, my...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Hi Darrel I have been considerign MTS, as snails seem to be fairly attack proof! I do prefer the sand look and the covering of pea gravel is very thin at the moment as it is all I had to hand. Off to a BIG garden centre in Dorset this weekend, so hopefully I will be able to lay my hands of...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Hi Garuf - The Cyno could still be a bit of an issue based on others experience. It has been removed now, but I have added some wood and moss to the tank and would hate for the Cyno to return. I have upped the flow by adding a second filter, but still pretty minimal due to the inhabitant. Hi...
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    lukes first riparium!

    I like the close up of the Houttuynia cordata. Not in the London area, but I will be looking for pilea. I live in the South west, but if I come across any pilea I will let you know and see what I can do about posting. Cheers Paul
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    lukes first riparium!

    Another trip to my local garden centre is in order as I only have one of my three planters with anything in it!
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    lukes first riparium!

    I will be keeping an eye on this one! Much better than my attempt which took a bad turn while I was away. Did you source your Houttuynia cordata from an average garden centre? I must admit in my one visit to a garden centre to find Pilea cadierei I was unsuccessful :oops: Nice to see another...
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    Which filter? New to externals.

    Cheers stevec! That's quite a saving.
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    Which filter? New to externals.

    That is a massive price increase! I was going to buy one this week expecting to pay £89.95! Back to the drawing board... need a big filter that will fit in a Rio 180 cabinet?
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    oh dear! I have been away for over a week and I came back to this! On the plus side, my Cyperus has grown quite a bit. A close of up of the damage - cyanobacteria on the sand Cheers Paul
  61. Pixels

    My venture into my new 760 ltr planted tank .

    Re: My venture into my new 760 ltr aquariam. er, that is a lot plants! Looking forward to seeing this one! Cheers Paul
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    I remembered I had this in the garage, I thought I could add some soil to the bottom and plant some of my Cyperus in it! 10cm or so of soil, some water and bingo! Cheers Paul
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Hi TBRO, I am hoping he appreciates his new surroundings. I really enjoy having a Betta on the desk, he generally sits and watches me while I am on the computer. He seems to like it more with Indian Almond leaves in there. Hi Devin, I already have some Juncus repens in my shrimp tank. I bought...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    My package finally arrived! Thanks Devin, it's all great. The magnetic planter is very nice! Still needs a lot of work, plants would be step in the right direction! I might move some of my Juncus repens to this tank, some advice on this plant my be necessary. Then some Bacopa sp. will be...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope Darrel, just wanted to say thanks for the C. alternifolius var. gracilis and floaters. I have put the flowering heads in a shallow pot of water, I am interested to see how this turns out. I have planted the Cyperus directly into my substrate, I assume this will be ok...
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    Waveless Box

    Hello mlgt, I think the Discus idea has died (for now). My tank plans have been reduced, I have been soaking 42 litres of Akadama in anticipation and everything! Here is an update on my 45 litre(ish) tank. I still have a bit of a staghorn problem, I had this under control until I went away...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope Thanks bigmatt, but I think I have everything I need/want is on its way. I will post some pictures once it all arrives! Cheers Pix
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope Hi Ryan It is from from a Hong Kong based seller on ebay. It's not a bad light considering the price! Cheers Pix
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope The Nymphaea is still very small and will not be moved for some time. If everything works out then I may end up leaving it where it is. I will look to sort out floating plants soon. Cheers Pix
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope nayr88 Hello, I think I could do with investing in a book like that. I also had a quick look for rice seeds and I didn't get very far! You should set the cube up, I have almost fallen into this idea (with a nudge from hydrophyte). It was not really on my mind while setting...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope hydrophyte Hello, I think I will look to go for a 'Marble Queen' sword and some Bacopa. I see TMG stock three species of: Bacopa australis Bacopa caroliniana Bacopa monnieri I think it is safe to say my biotope idea has lost out to the riparium idea! Time to start some...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope Hi bigmatt Its turned out to be quite a nice tank once I got rid of the mermaid background and all the pink plastic! Rice plants are an interesting thought, not sure where I would source them from? Thanks for looking Hi hydrophyte The Betta is great fish for the desktop...
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Re: Betta Biotope As promised, some pictures. I grabbed a couple of Crypts from another tank, each one has a Tropica root tab with it. This is still at a very early stage, but I have thinking about turning this into a mini riparium with emersed Crypts... in situ Moneo - My first Betta...
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    60cm Riparium

    Hello hydrophyte I am interested in the magnetic riparium planters, can you tell me what the dimensions are? I am hoping I could fit two in a 30cm tank. Cheers Pix
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    Nano Riparium (formerly Betta Biotope)

    Hello all I am looking to setup a small biotope for my Betta splendens and I would like your opinions on appropriate plants. Tank So far I have one of these: I got the 'mermaid tank' from the garage of my sisters house, it was home (briefly) to a poor goldfish. I have since set her up...
  76. Pixels

    Andyh's - Dragon Beach

    Thanks for the offer Andy, but I think I will stick with the HV for now, see how it works out. Cheers Pix
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    Andyh's - Dragon Beach

    Andy Thanks for the info. In hindsight I think I would have preferred HS, but my HV arrived today. I will see how it grows and then there is always the next scape to try some HS. Cheers Pix
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    Andyh's - Dragon Beach

    Hello Andy Very impressed by your tank! I have a question regarding Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides and Hydrocotyle verticillata as I read you have both. Does the H. sibthorpioides stay small as in your tank or will it grow tall like H. verticillata? I have just ordered some H. verticillata...
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    Waveless Box

    Rik - Another tank, sounds like you have as many tanks as I would like! I look forward to seeing the journal. Still suffering from a bit of staghorn algae, but I the worst of it seems to be over. My Clithon corona is a bit lazy in this tank. I have another in a 100 litre tank in the lounge...
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    Waveless Box

    A quick update. I will sit down one evening and try and take some better pictures. The moss has some dead bits from where I took the wood out and dosed some staghorn with Excel - might have over done it! Five Ember Tetras have moved in today, I will add another five or six if I can catch...
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    Waveless Box

    Hello Rik Hope the filter is working out ok for you. The mosses are going well. I will post an update tonight. Regarding the discus, I am on the verge of ordering a 36x24x18" tank from Aquariums Ltd. I am putting together a list of ideas. When I order I might start a planning journal? Not...
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    Waveless Box

    A quick update. Special thanks to Rik (mlgt) for the moss :D Not so special thanks to Rik for making me think constantly about getting Discus. The girlfriend was not impressed with me measuring under the sink, to see if I could fit a HMA filter in! The picture would be greatly improved if...
  83. Pixels

    Spraybars, inline CO2 and distribution

    Hello johnyjr I will try to explain my reasoning. I plan upgrade my low-ish maintenance tank, the new tank will house all my existing crypts. I am also a keen keeper of anabantoids and as such would like to keep spray bars on my outlets. It is best to consider the tank closed as it will...
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    Spraybars, inline CO2 and distribution

    Hi Andy Thanks for that bit of info, not sure I like the sound of gurgling! Maybe I will try an inline reactor, I have had my eye on the Lunapet bypass reactor, but was concerned about flow restriction with both CO2 and heater on a single filter. I guess if I have one filter introducing...
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    Spraybars, inline CO2 and distribution

    Hi johnyjr I'm glad the you have the same size tank and like it. I have been thinking about it for ages! I admit I wanted bigger, but apparently we have to keep the sofa!!! So extra height it was! Running one spay bar for heat/CO2 sounds like a good idea. I will then have more control over...
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    Spraybars, inline CO2 and distribution

    Hello all I am after some advice on filters and CO2 on a planned 36" x 24" x 18" tank. I was considering two Eheim 2217 classics, a Hydor external heater and an Up Atomizer for heat and CO2. I will be running spray bars, but my concern is with CO2 distribution and the different rates of flow...
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    how many shrimp for 8gallon?

    Hi LD, It all sounds very tempting, but I am no great rush.I think I will keep an eye out for your next batch, thanks anyway. Cheers Pix
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    how many shrimp for 8gallon?

    Hi LD, How small is smaller? A lot of the ones I see in LFS are pretty small. I am bit concerned about receiving them and having to work. What's your normal deal with numbers, cost and postage etc. Cheers Pix
  89. Pixels

    how many shrimp for 8gallon?

    Thanks LondonDragon, I will rehome this week! I also see that you are often selling shrimp. Do you sell in cycles or do you normally have some for sale at all times??? I could be very interested if so. Cheers Pix
  90. Pixels

    how many shrimp for 8gallon?

    Sorry to raise an old thread, but can Crystals not be kept with Tiger shrimp purely because they will breed with each other? If so I should I remove my single Black Bee and three Tiger Shrimp that are in with my juvenile CRS? Cheers Pix
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    Cats and fish tanks

    Thanks for all the advice, it has given me a lot to think about. I am not looking to setup until April, so plenty of time to drive myself mad pondering! My cat still tries to bite the glass when one of the bigger fish is near the front of the tank! Cheers Pix
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    Andyh's - Dragon Beach

    Hi Andy, Firstly let me say how much I have enjoyed watching your previous kitchen scape and your Deep rooted scape develop, a real inspiration. What do you use for your cover? At the moment I am just using a Clearseal condensation tray, but I was wondering if you had something a bit more fancy...
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    Waveless Box

    Thanks Gill, hopefully I will have some plants to match!
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    Waveless Box

    An update, very little has changed. Added some Staurogyne sp. and Cryptocoryne wendtii 'brown' today. Want the Staurogyne to form a low carpet, but I want to give it a chance to establish before I go cutting it back. I have some moss on order, flame moss and weeping moss. I plan to tie the...
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    Ad's Low tech-ish 54l-Updated!

    Re: Ad's Low tech-ish 54l Is that the Pogostemon helferi I sent you? I will keep an eye on this one, it feels like I have some sort of attachment to it! Carpet should look wick! Cheers Pix
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    Cats and fish tanks

    Thanks for all the replies. It has given me something to think about. My cat tries to bight the glass, although I very much doubt she could actually catch anything! I feel I am leaning slightly towards a Aquariums Ltd 36x24x18". I can't have anything longer than 36" and I could get a...
  97. Pixels

    Cats and fish tanks

    Hello everyone, I am after some opinions. As much as like the look of open top, braceless tanks I am leaning towards an Aquariums Ltd standard tank for two reasons: 1) I have a cat (four legged and furry kind) and I am concerned about the cat taking up its own hobby - feline fishing! 2)...
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    Waveless Box

    UPS - Unsuitable Plant Service Oh dear! I guess that was why I wasn't prepared to charge, you were both my guinea pigs! I put it through the work post system (hence the interesting names and addresses), which made the whole process free, but probably not very quick. I will make sure I use a...
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    Waveless Box

    No problem, I hope you enjoy them. Out of interest what kind of state did they arrive in? Cheers Pix
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    Nicks 4x2x2

    Hi Nick I see you have a standard Aquariums Ltd tank, it looks very impressive. I am thinking of getting one of these myself instead of an open/braceless optiwhite as I have a cat and I am a big fan of Anabantoids and don't fancy their chances on the carpet! Have you got any sides in...
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