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Thanks Dan, That's just what I needed to hear; 'don't try it, it's not as straightforward as it sounds'. I'll get my hacksaw out instead ;)

I asked this a while ago and the general consensus was that I should keep my 2 external filters (both eheim classics a 2213 and a 2217) separate. However there really isn't room in the hood to have all the pipes running in neatly and they're getting kinked/squashed and it's damaging the flow...

Excellent, I was a bit worried that it would be too tight a fit in the current holes.

Thanks for that Clive, I'll probably go for one at each end if I can fit one inside the Juwel filter, otherwise I'll pop them both at one end. Cheers.

Which means removing the internal juwel filter.

What about the intakes? Both at the same end? I'll probably have to mod the hood to fit all this in!

This is for my Juwel rekord 120 (101L x 46H x 31W cm ~ 120l). I've just bought the eheim 2215 that Aaron was selling on the B/S/S section and I'll be running it alongside my 2213. Now this will give me 620lph + 440lph = 1060lph and I currently have the original juwel filter (400lph) still...

Thanks for that George, sounds like I'd be best off sticking with my current green spray bar then.... at least until I get a nano up and running ;)

Ok, well that instils a bit more confidence in their ability to withstand wear and tear. I don't have an inline diffuser, I have an inline heater but not diffuser so that shouldn't be an issue. I think the main issue will be if they'll fit. I've still got the Juwel filter in at the moment so...

I've just been looking at the cheapish lily pipes on ebay and was wondering what people thought of them. I love the look of the glass so that's a plus. I am incredibly clumsy, are they as fragile as they look? Will they fit on a tank with a Juwel standard hood? Do they really make that much...

Wow, did you send it back to eheim and complain, I hear they have an efficient customer service. I think half the battle is that the more gadgets you add to a device the more there is to go wrong. It was why I went for the classic (that and the price ;) ).

Brand wise I've never had any problems with my ehiem classic external 2213 and it's dead quiet. It also needs to be really filthy before you notice a drop in the flow. For its size it had (haven't looked lately) the best efficiency at only 8w for Pump output 440l/h / Filter circulation 390l/h...

It's a bit of both, the main aim is to ensure that all the plants get the flow and therefore the nutrients. One of the easiest ways to do this is with a large external filter which means no powerheads in the tank. However some people have externals and powerheads. The 10x rule is a rule of...

I'd be tempted to drop the bells and whistles and go for an eheim classic, there's less to go wrong. The 2217 offers a good throughput (790l/h) and you can get it for £70 incl media. (note I haven't checked if these guys are the cheapest). They're also compact and very quiet for their...

Re: Eheim Classics Ok to re-prime without sucking you need to do the following... 1a) If you are not cleaning the pipework then make sure the inlet pipe doesn't come clear of the water so it's still full end to end. 1b) If you are removing the pipework then once you've cleaned, open the taps...