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I know George has used these in the past, so I thought I'd give them a whirl. :D Feel free to discuss the good and bad, personal experiences with this choice. That is all :angel: black-neons by saintly's pics, on Flickr

2 words...Ballon Rams :lol:

Re: Randy otos getting jiggy? Never seen it myself, but i've had/got pregnant ottos.

Sweet pics mate!

straight up! :angel:

You think the above is crazy?...listen to this! And it's true. My wifes friend went to P@H to buy a fish tank, and because they didn't have water ready prepared (@ home, de chlored, temp etc), they wouldn't sell the tank to them. :jawdrop That's gospel too

That's incredible mate! :shock:

Actually, the more I look at my set up with a black background, uber clear water, brilliant greens, the more I reckon penguin tetras would look stunning against the black, upper space of the tank.

Hard to tell from the photo George, but they look similar to penguin tetras. Are they?

I'd be right in saying, you had these in your last huge cube? nice fish also! but would they suit a scape with pretty big stones. Maybe the fish ought to be relative to the size of the stones? lemon tetra size or a bit bigger? I'm green when it comes to fish :mrgreen:

now a shoal of those would be amazing. I love them, but I do feel that maybe a tighter shoaling fish would be needed. another great fish, and under used. Amano uses them frequently

I must admit, I'm going down the road of ...tetras also. :D After owning platinum tetras, I was thinking those.

interesting looking fish indeed. Would they suit though?

Any thoughts what I could put in here?

40 in a 260 would look the dogs nuts! i'd like a 60 strong shoal.

gauging by the ones in my nano, roughly the same size as fully grown cardinal. maybe a bit 'dumpy' :thumbup:

their quit placid mate. I never noticed any aggression in them what so ever. I'm considering putting them in my latest tank in stead of the scatty neons I have. :D

here's a couple of images of platinum tetras. brilliant shoalers A tank that was soon put to bed

no mate, but i may. i think pencil fish can bring a lovely touch of red, without being over the top.

my fave fish! the fish in the middle cost me £10...and he jumped :shock: i plan on having some of these in the next tank. great character

2 weeks mate, a bit more maybe. your looking at the pics. :lol: The vids are from the nano too. i want to let it grow in a bit before i do a 'full tank shot' it's really for my shrimp, but it's scape just a little, using manzi wood

here's another vid showing how annoying they are to each other The female of the species.... and a shrimp meets it's end....ler

i'm gona take them out i think :lol: there getting fruity already!

i've added some of these to my nano. I've now been told by my mate Jamesm that breed more than rabbits :? and a short vid. cheers folks

i'd put in about 20 or so amano shrimp and half a dozen ottos.

i've never lost them to jumping. they tend to stay low to mid tank IME

A great fish indeed. large numbers are required for a visual impact IMO.

platinum tetras. I'm redoing my 120cm and I plan to incorporate these into the scape. i've got this thing for whit fish....platinum angels too

yep, i've gone against all the rules of a planted tank and i've added a rather large pleco!.... scroll down

this may sound cruel, but every tank that i've had ottos in, i've never attempted to feed them. i just let em' graze on the plants. they still get fat so they must be ok

yep, like this....

looks fandabidosy! :D you should of had some of those crypts of me mate! love the wood!

they've been fine with everything. i've had them a along side embers,cardinals silver tip, rams there was no issue what so ever. i may be lucky though, but i cant see a problem :D

there a nice fish.i'd say put them in nothing smaller than a 3 footer visually speaking. the aggression I've never had a problem with. there is obviously a ranking or pecking order if you want to call it that. and they pick areas to "sit" in. the odd nudge from a bigger fish but that's about it IME

when had my platinums, embers started going missing :( i think when size starts to play a bigger part in the equation you may find 1 or 2 may go missing, but then i'm no guru on angels ray.

its a 3 footer. just right i reckon.it's not the style of tank you or i would go for, but it's what he's selling. it'll be the henge take 2 but in store. i'll have my 60 optiwhite up and running soon. and a small optiwhite nano. it'll be madness soon.

ahhh, wheatcroft... thats on the rounabout isnt it. yeah your right sam.i'm doing eastbridgford. i best get a diary me thinks :lol:

so that means you guys will see my iwagumi in the near future :oops: i better do it good then :shock:

i didnt realise you were so close!

is that west bridgford near me?

if you look closey in the middle you'll see the SAE! looks pretty happy to me :wink:

just what i was thinking. ive looked at the route it would take and it dont pass them. it goes through the pipping and they must get stuck at the bottom and around the sides. a gap of about an inch. what's amazing is there in darkness for 2 months in my case. the sae look better than they ever...

resilient isn't the word! here's the story, i will embarrass myself here too. :oops: about 2 months ago in my 60cm optiwhite, you'll all remember the red eye tetras?....well you see they kinda disappeared one by one, i thought they were jumping out the tank and lost forever. in fact i lost...

its not something i experienced when i put my platinums angels in. as long as there not gasping or anything they might end up being ok.

ive been watching my white cloud mountain minnows tonight and what a joy they are. it appears there's 1 female which is carrying eggs.... and there's 1 male which is more dominant over the rest and when others try to get near he shoos them away. this is him normal.... and this is him when...

300L to be honest i dont want my tetras to be second course on my angels menu. i didnt think they were like that. my LFS MA has some veil ? angels and some assorted varieties. im going to look today. mark

i want to buy some angels for my big tank, are they easy to keep? any special requirments. thanks in advance folks mark