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Hi all,
What us the best thing to feed the ottos what would you recomend ?
We have a thread <"Tips on feeding...">.
Will the limpets cause any harm ?
No, they are entirely harmless to plants, they graze on the biofilm at night. For whatever reason they tend to come and go in abundance in my tanks (possibly temperature related?).
How can i get rid of them ?
A <"mollusc killer will kill them">. They need <"reasonably high water quality">, so I look on their presence as a positive thing.

cheers Darrel
 
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I dose liquid carbon on top of my CO2 gas daily, I think it makes sense when you are trying to get plants established. I may not do it permanently though.

My Ottos love courgette slices, I just put them in boiling water for a few minutes to soften them up first


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Hey dean, sorry your having a few issues fella...all good learning

In regards to solving the issues I'd think your dosing is still a bit light, I dose one squirt tropica in my 60 low tech shrimp and and it gets consumed, granted the ficus in the filter helps but worth looking at. If you have a tds meter you can get a pretty good idea if the tds climbs daily then plants wont be using it all. Bare in mind you will see about 5-10tds rise from mini landscape rock in a 60...

Your previous question of to dense planting.... yes and no. When a tank is well tuned then no, but dense plants in a tank with some problems can exacerbate the issue due to reduced flow... below was my 60 which was in a happy place..luck not judgement.

Ultimately look at ferts and dim your lights a little while you resolve the problems
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Hi all, We have a thread <"Tips on feeding...">.No, they are entirely harmless to plants, they graze on the biofilm at night. For whatever reason they tend to come and go in abundance in my tanks (possibly temperature related?). A <"mollusc killer will kill them">. They need <"reasonably high water quality">, so I look on their presence as a positive thing.

cheers Darrel
Thanks for that i thought they never seemed interested in my wafers or any of the fish food.i have read forum and will be feeding them some red peppers tomorro and some cucumber, i will just cut into smallish strips and boil for few minutes in boiling water before adding into tank.

Thats good news if need good ish water quality least doing something right.

Thanks dean

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Hey dean, sorry your having a few issues fella...all good learning

In regards to solving the issues I'd think your dosing is still a bit light, I dose one squirt tropica in my 60 low tech shrimp and and it gets consumed, granted the ficus in the filter helps but worth looking at. If you have a tds meter you can get a pretty good idea if the tds climbs daily then plants wont be using it all. Bare in mind you will see about 5-10tds rise from mini landscape rock in a 60...

Your previous question of to dense planting.... yes and no. When a tank is well tuned then no, but dense plants in a tank with some problems can exacerbate the issue due to reduced flow... below was my 60 which was in a happy place..luck not judgement.

Ultimately look at ferts and dim your lights a little while you resolve the problems
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Wow that is defently densely planted, good to hear from you Iain hope all is well, forum seems a little quiet lately so good to hear from you.

The plants at the back next to the inlet still seem to have some deficiencies and melt look as going see through etc, i will start dosing 3 squirts of the tropica specialised daily and see if that helps with the hair grass i am always worried algae takes over if does to much but i will keep up maintainence and make sure that doesnt happen, rest of plants seem to be growing well and i am sure bucephalandra is going to flower. Just the colours and the hair grass that i am not happy with and getting a bit of green hair algae.

I have the controller for the lights but never managed to set it up correctly so have lights just on a timer.

I will dig the controller out and if i can manged to set lights to 90 percent and see if that helps. Last time i strugged setting it to come on at 90 percent and go off at 90 percent at the times i wanted but will have another crack at it.

Thanks for the help to everyone its greatly appreciated.

Thanks dean

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Tank is looking great.

How is the fit of your biomaster 250 in the cabinet, does your door close? I’ve just bought a 250 and believe I have the same cabinet build as your and I’m struggling to close the door without slightly tilting the filter


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Tank is looking great.

How is the fit of your biomaster 250 in the cabinet, does your door close? I’ve just bought a 250 and believe I have the same cabinet build as your and I’m struggling to close the door without slightly tilting the filter


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No doesnt fit i was going to router out a square as in image as only catches on the clip but never bothered , joiner said cut hole and put some thin board on and paint bit didnt want it to stick out from rest of cabinet even a little so currently i only have 2 magnets at top and sticks out on bottom but dont notice from anywere as in corner and settee beside it, didnt want to cut door as eventually when upgrade tank cabinet will be fine for a different filter to fit i find oase fitlers are quite large.

Little update sure my bucephalandra is flowering and rotala grows so fast its crazy hairgrass is still yellowing but not sure if improving. Keep taking grass up for more real estate for planting .

Also film seems to have formed quick on surface but think lilly pipe was facing downward slighlty as forgot to put clip on that holds it straight.

Thanks dean
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Cheers for the info. I should of asked before buying the 250 myself lol. I many swap it with JBL e901 I have on another tank because that will fit as it a lot thinner. The Oase biomaster are definitely on the chunky side.


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Tank plodding along nicely seen to have less of that brown algae, still bits of green and brown on few plants but usually remove on water change.

The rotala is growing very fast so will need to learn how to trim and replant along with the siamensis 53b so if anyone has any links that would be very helpful, also do you think i should give the hair grass a trim so shorter ?

Want very dense planting at back i always struggle as when plant one another seems to lift but its just practice.

I found a few bucephalandra leaves on surface that had straight cuts and one of my buce has a few holes in any ideas what this could be? Shrimp maybe ?

Thanks dean
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Hello mate

Tank is looking at lot better. Well done. About the stem just cut it short and every time it grow 5 cm cut it again. Soon it will be very bushy

The hair grass cut it really short and clean it up with a toothbrush and go over with a hose.

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Hello mate

Tank is looking at lot better. Well done. About the stem just cut it short and every time it grow 5 cm cut it again. Soon it will be very bushy

The hair grass cut it really short and clean it up with a toothbrush and go over with a hose.

Cheers
Ryan
Hi ryanwhat stems you referring to the rotala ? How short would you rscomend cutting it down to and should k replantthe cut sections ? I read that were ever i cut it 2 stems will emerge is that correct ?

So if i keep cutting the stems short it would end up very dense.

Any ideas about the bucephalandra and why keeps losing leaves and why could have holes ?

I will trim the carpet very soon

Thanks dean

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Hi ryanwhat stems you referring to the rotala ? How short would you rscomend cutting it down to and should k replantthe cut sections ? I read that were ever i cut it 2 stems will emerge is that correct ?

So if i keep cutting the stems short it would end up very dense.

Any ideas about the bucephalandra and why keeps losing leaves and why could have holes ?

I will trim the carpet very soon

Thanks dean

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Hi

It look like they all stems at the background so yes if you keep cutting them then 2 more will grow and you can replant the off cuts

About how short to cut, it up to you. Of course if you cut it very low you can get it very bushy by cutting more often

The bucephalandra im not sure. Maybe it was a weak leaf. Cut it off it will soon grow back
 

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I have been watching some green aqua videos and they seem to cut right down to soil then replant the off cuts i may try this, it will obviously look bare for a while but thats the fun i guess.

They also said doesnt need to be replanted into the soil as the roots will find the soil anyway.

Would you go aboit the siamensis 53b the same way ? Think will let all grow more before trimming.

Not sure weather to rescape before trimming.

Thanks dean

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Would i replant the 53b the same way ? Like i say watched a few videos on green aqua and they cut the stems right down to substrate and replant so think i will do this.


Should all my plants be strong enough to replant now as wanting to rescape the tank next week.

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Hello mate.

Green aqua they do it that way because once it get very bushy and too dense the bottom plants doesn't look great no more so instead of uprooting the plants it just be easier to cut it right down and replant.

In your case you dont need to do that just trim half way or lower and then replant the off cuts.

Do that to all your stems and it be fine

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Quick update, give the hair grass and plants first ever trim hopefully i did an ok job, i replanted the stems.

Thinking if getting a few snails for more livestock most likely nerite snails, hopefully horned ones as hopefully lay less eggs.

I have no experience with snails so do they lay many eggs and are they impossible to remove.

Tank doing well regarding algae none really touch wood just green on rocks what is really hard to remove but i dont mind to much to be honest. Only thing i want is a small 12mm inflow with skimmer like i have seen in other posts as the aquascaper ones are to large for this tank. And in future a more powerful light for red plants.

I have also move the inflow next to the outflow in order to plant at the rear and see how it goes.

Thanks dean

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Also shrimp i received from nick doing well think i have 5 or so of them in there stilk
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Hi Deano tank looks nice mate a good job on your first trimming session already looks bushier at the back with the stem tops replanted the green on the rocks probs diatomes guessing you havnt really had much of a issue with these most new tanks go through a stage of them there pretty easy to wipe away when doing your maintenance if you want to clean the rocks a little wire brush does wonders as for the ferts have you tried just adding some Mgso4 (Epsom salts) may help with the green colour your after have you looked at James planted tank web page it's pretty good at breaking down what's in the tropica ferts you might see where your falling a little short on them are you using both kinds of the tropic or just the one kind not really sure on these but I do know there is a green and a brown one Has your co2 issue got any better on my 45p the co2 is probs at about 4 bps with in line diffuser and it's a nice lime green colour all the way through as your tank is maturing you might find that it will stay lime green instead of yellowing towards the end of the photo period as the plant mass grows stick with it use at as a great learning curve also what helped me was a little diary of all the mistakes I made in the first 5_10 tanks lol so each time I rescaped I could just look back and think aww dont do that again lol

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Hi Deano tank looks nice mate a good job on your first trimming session already looks bushier at the back with the stem tops replanted the green on the rocks probs diatomes guessing you havnt really had much of a issue with these most new tanks go through a stage of them there pretty easy to wipe away when doing your maintenance if you want to clean the rocks a little wire brush does wonders as for the ferts have you tried just adding some Mgso4 (Epsom salts) may help with the green colour your after have you looked at James planted tank web page it's pretty good at breaking down what's in the tropica ferts you might see where your falling a little short on them are you using both kinds of the tropic or just the one kind not really sure on these but I do know there is a green and a brown one Has your co2 issue got any better on my 45p the co2 is probs at about 4 bps with in line diffuser and it's a nice lime green colour all the way through as your tank is maturing you might find that it will stay lime green instead of yellowing towards the end of the photo period as the plant mass grows stick with it use at as a great learning curve also what helped me was a little diary of all the mistakes I made in the first 5_10 tanks lol so each time I rescaped I could just look back and think aww dont do that again lol

Cheers
J
Thanks for that jay i do have a note pad were i have been taking notes as so easy to forget and ask same questions over and over .

Regarding the ferts i have been using the green tropica specialised and its nearly ran out so not sure whether to buy more or try something else ? Like EI dry powders.

Thanks for the kind words and the green on rocks i probably could scrub but doesnt bother me to much currently, i have some small wire brushes at work i think i could try.

Any recomendations on snails and nerite snail eggs like are they hard to remove and do they end up everywere ? I would only want a couple.

Thanks dean

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