Aqua Medic Ocean light 150 MH pendant - HQI?

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by Steve Smith, 29 Jul 2009.

  1. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

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    Hey all. Just got hold of one of these which needed a new MH bulb. I bought an HQI bulb as I was sure this is what it takes. After fitting it and switching it on, all I get is a quiet buzzing sound and no light o_O

    If a unit isn't HQI, is this what will happen? Should I have bought a non-HQI bulb? Am I looking at a duff light unit? :bored:

    I need to sort this ASAP, as the ebayer I bought it off is hassling me for feedback and I'm not going to give any untill I know it works!

    Cheers :)
     
  2. Roy S

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    Dont want to sound like I'm teaching granny to suck eggs but are you sure the bulb is making good contact with the bulb electrical contacts??
    Failing that it sounds lke the ignitor may have gone, normally a pretty easy fix IF you know your way around lighting systems

    HQI bulbs are metal halides, just another name for them! (I believe the full term is High Quartz Iodide) refering to the makeup of the discharge chamber of the bulb

    You can get hold of ignitors from places like commercial lamps:

    http://www.commercial-lamps.co.uk/acatalog/Control_Gear.html

    If you scroll down the ignitors are on that page.

    If you dont feel to confident about it, give them a ring and have a chat with them about the problem they'll be able to advise you.

    Hope its some help

    regards

    Roy
     
  3. Steve Smith

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    Thanks for that Roy. I had another look this morning and it looks like one of the metal contacts on one side of the unit has corroded. I knew there was an issue with that side as the spring inside the socket has gone. I wonder if I need to replace that socket...
     
  4. Roy S

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    It does sound like that could be the fault, the problem with duff bulbs and holders, is they sometimes cause the ignitor to continually try to fire up the bulb and burns them out if the problem isn't corrected. Changing the bulb holder would be my first choice, but make sure you can get hold of an ignitor for it before you start(should be no problem)....just in case
     
  5. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

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    Thinking again about trying to get this light unit working, as I didn't actually get it working in the end.

    These look like they might be the same ends: http://www.hellolights.com/index.asp?Pa ... ProdID=398

    Anyone have any experience with replacing Halide sockets? Either that, or can anyone recommend a marine forum I might be able to get more info from?

    Thanks all :)
     
  6. George Farmer

    George Farmer Founder Staff Member

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    Ultimate Reef (UK) and Reef Central (US) are two excellent reef forums.

    Good luck with the light mate.
     
  7. dkm

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    I second UltimateReef. There is hundreds of people on there with alot of knowledge about everything technical.

    Or you could try giving http://www.marine-lighting.co.uk a ring. Very helpful guys.

    Dave
     
  8. dkm

    dkm Member

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    Or even aB Aqua Medic Ltd:

    Tel: 08450903500

    Dave
     
  9. ice

    ice Member

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    Hi Steve, Try Coventry Aquatics they maybe able to help speak to Robin or Lisa tell them Karl gave you the number 02476 503 050
     
  10. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

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    Look what was waiting for me when I got home today:

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    I was a bit concerned the MH bulb wouldn't fit, as it just looked wrong but tested and it fits nicely. Will try and fix the light unit in the next few weeks.

    I haven't looked yet, but can anyone confirm my suspiscions that theres no positive or negative wire as such? I assume it's just power passed through the bulb and out the other side...
     
  11. Lisa_Perry75

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    Just an idea, but once a MH bulb has been on for a while and you turn it off it won't turn on again for a while. It just makes a buzzing noise. I don't know if this is similar to what happened with you. Have you tried the original light again?

    I am sure you are aware but you should not touch the glass on a MH bulb, otherwise the oils on your skin will make the bulb blow as they superheat once the light has been on for a bit.
     
  12. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

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    Hi Lisa. Thanks for that, but no the actual ceramic socket disintegrated. Also, it was a sprung socket and the metal spring fell apart too.

    I'm going to have a go at replacing this next week sometime. I'll keep you all posted :D
     
  13. samc

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    this is the same halide that i have. i am pretty sure there are no positive and negative as i tried it both ways and it worked the same :D
     
  14. Steve Smith

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    Thanks Sam, that's what I thought :)

    Once I get this fixed, I'll be making a light hanging rail, almost identical to Mr Saintly's here:

    viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6218
     
  15. Steve Smith

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    I'm sitting with the light in bits in front of me now and pondering. All I actually need to fix the light using the current sockets is a stupid little crimp on terminal thing. One side has totally burnt out and corroded away. The rest of the socket is fine though! Even the spring. But can I find any for sale anywhere?!

    Can anyone help? I need one of these (sorry for the poor photo):

    4473743235_308fc19643.jpg
     
  16. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

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    Heres a pic of the socket. I've found them for sale in the US, but not in the UK :(

    [​IMG]
     
  17. JamesM

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    I'd buy a cheap security light and use it for parts...
     
  18. Lisa_Perry75

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    Have a look in places like Newey and Eyre, JBM, wilts. These are electrical wholesalers and they may sell security lights which are metal halide, or they may sell parts/help you out.
     
  19. Steve Smith

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    Hey guys. Thanks for the advice. I already have a replacement fixture (see pic on previous page). Now I've dismantled the unit properly I can see it's only a simple thing I need to fix this. I'd rather use the original sockets then have to DIY it! :) That being said, I'm probably still going to DIY it due to time scales of finding a replacement. It was more a case of seeing if anyone else had any ideas where to get spares.

    Oh well, time to dig out the drill! :lol:
     
  20. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

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    Well, success!

    Essentially, after a lot of trial and error (involving building and stripping down the light several times!) I got it sorted. I had to use the new MH socket, as I was unable find replacement parts for the original socket that was damaged. So, a series of modifications followed, which included cutting pieces out of the reflector, drilling holes in it and removing other pieces all together.

    After finally mounting the new socket and re-assembling everything, I found the MH bulb was sitting too high, and therefore the glass panel couldn't slide in front of it. Frustration is one way to describe my thoughts at that moment! After some thinking and stripping down of the light I figured I would have to space the fitting bolts so that the socket would sit lower into the reflector. I had to chop a few more bits off and buy some washers.

    Finally, tonight after much swearing, frustration, sweat and almost tears it's working!

    4500511889_77d1e90609_o.jpg

    Naturally the first thing I do is put it over my 20ltr nano :lol:

    Thanks again to everyone for the advice/support! If anyone needs a spare MH socket for an AquaMedic light, let me know ;)
     

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