ferropol fracas

Discussion in 'Aquarium Fert Dosing' started by nilo, 7 Oct 2007.

  1. nilo

    nilo Member

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    I have started dosing my planted tanks with ferropol liquid fertiliser, but the bottle doesnt say how often I should be dosing, how long do you thing until I start seeing obvious results?. My tanks are both low tech with yeast co2. The plants I have are doing well but I want to see more growth (I do plan on getting a proper c02 unit for the big tank...when I can save up!!) should I be adding anything else, I have no probs with algae (yet?!) so im dubious to over fert. Both tanks are over a year old.

    cheers guys.
    :?
     
  2. ceg4048

    ceg4048 Expert/Global Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi,
    According to the information I can see ferropol is essentially a trace element fertilizer with some Potassium. The baseline dosage appears to be 5 ml per 20 liters weekly. It's not clear whether you are dosing Nitrogen or Phosphorous or whether you are depending on your tap water to provide these macro nutrients. Without knowing how effective your CO2 dosing is it's difficult to determine what sort of improvement you will see. You should dose N, P and K if you are injecting CO2.

    The expression "low tech" is normally associated with non-CO2 and with lower lighting, usually below 1.5 watts per gallon. It's not clear how much light you have on these tanks. You may not have heard the good news, which is that nutrients do not cause algae. There is little doubt therefore that you should see better results within a few weeks if you dose the macro nutrients in addition to the traces you have already begun.

    Cheers,
     
  3. nilo

    nilo Member

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    Arrrggghhhh

    Its all so complicated, my tapwater has at least 15ppm of nitrate and low levels of phosphate, as far as c02 is concerned i just have a yeast system, im glad that algae wont grow with the nutrients ive put in, i guess things should get a lot better when i add proper c02 (when i get the b***y money).

    ta for the info.

    : )
     
  4. ceg4048

    ceg4048 Expert/Global Moderator Staff Member

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    Nilo,
    It's not terribly complicated at all. We make it complicated by our assumptions. On any given day your water supply may have any amount of nitrate and phosphate low or high. The problem is we have no control of what's in that supply. If we dose according to the EI schedule then we are sure that we have at least a certain amount of N P and K, regardless of what the water supply has. If you don't dose then you essentially have a lottery. What happens when the plants use up the nitrate over the course of the week between water changes? As soon as the nitrate hits some minimum level plant growth becomes limited. The same with phosphate. If you dose the maximum amount for the amount of light and CO2 you have then you know that you will never run low.

    A highly lit 50 USGallon tank should receive the following dosage (everything scales linearly - a 25 G gets half and a 100G gets double):

    3X per week
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    1/2 teaspoon KNO3
    1/8 teaspoon KH2PO4

    This dosing, combined with your ferropol dosing as discussed previously should ensure that you have slightly more than enough of the macro (NPK) and micro (Fe and other trace). If you are using tap water and if your tap is hard then you need not add Mg or Ca. The reason we can get away with Mg and Ca from the tap is that the quantity of Mg and Ca plants use is miniscule compared to the amounts of NPK and Carbon that they use. As an analogy, think of NPK as Meat, CO2 as bread/potato and ferropol as Vitamin tablets. With this analogy you can imagine the amount of meat you require compared to the amout of vitamin tablets you would consume.

    If, as you stated, you wish to maximize growth rates then you can only accomplish this by maximized feeding. Ignore the level of nitrate and phosphate in the water supply and dose as if they weren't there at all. Save yourself some dough and eschew the Brighty for the powders you can find here: http://www.aquaessentials.co.uk/index.p ... th=145_146

    Having said all that, I have to admit that CO2 is a bit complicated. It is simplified somewhat by use of a drop checker with 4dkH water. Are you using this? If CO2 is poorly applied the other nutrients will have limited effects (think of the analogy above).

    Cheers,
     
  5. wickybrook

    wickybrook Newly Registered

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    Its all so complicated, my tapwater has at least 15ppm of nitrate and low levels of phosphate, as far as ???
     

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