well they are here! i ordered them on tuesday and they arrived this morning from germany, so quite fast considering the distance. they are 100cm long and 117 watts, can either be held by brackets or hanging from the celing. (both supplied) the reflectors that come with it look half decent also. i was rely suprised at how much thinner t5's are to t8's has the choice of 2 of the lights being on or just one. or all three but then found that one of the runners on the brackets that slide in to the unit was snaped of emailed them right away and atached a piccy, even though they are german they should get back to me in english right???