Hi Gang, Well here i am on day one of a long awaited project. apparently my Vision 450 will arrive on a delivery van all the way from Liverpool sometime between 1200 and 1800 today. so far i have spent Â£55 on 3 juwel backing tiles and a tube of silicon. plus Â£630 for the tank and stand from here http://www.pet-supermarket.co.uk/erol.html#19972X0 on the shopping list is the following - twin T5 ballast and tubes - additional external filter - 5 bags of ecocomplete - bag of play sand (split substrate) - some kind of PVC strip (like a giant ruler??) to divide the substrate - one mega piece of wood - multiple socket extension lead with timers - co2 tubing (got reg, diffuser and FE already) plants are not finalised yet, aiming for foreground of play sand (off set to the left), glosso or HC carpet in front mid ground to the edge of the ecocomplete. anubias (plenty of) on the wood and various red stems in the background. 50 - 100 cardinals (depending on the look of the shoal as i go along, 15 at a time) my plec from the rio180 6 sterbai corys from the 180 plus 4 more mates for the group 6 discus as long as i can find some euro bred hard water tolerant specimens. i'm taking this slowly to get everything just right. i rushed into the 180 and paid the price later on. as they dropped the last one on loading the lorry fingers crossed this one arrives on schedule.