poecilia wingei (endler's)

Discussion in 'Fish' started by tanker, 5 May 2008.

  1. tanker

    tanker Member

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    there's some Endler's at an aquarium shop here. and i' very tempted to change my cardinal tetras to these :lol: ... my aquarium is 27 litres and i think the cardinals are slightly too large for it in a shoal. i also suspect they eat my cherry shrimps.
    Anybody had experience with the endler's?

    they look stunning i must say. very striking colour. but i'm not sure if they shoal, are they easy to keep, do they jump? my tank is uncovered and i dont want dead fish on the floor after 2 days.
     
  2. curlywig

    curlywig Newly Registered

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    they breed like mad and will soon become overrun with then if your not carefully, there worse than guppies i think. i have some and am currently try to get rid off them. buetiful fish though, shoaling wise they wind kind off.
     
  3. tanker

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    i see... so they're like rabbits...
    how many you started off with? how large is your aquarium?

    if thats the case i may start off with 5 males and 2 females. what do you think?
    are they suicidal, by jumping out?

    you were saying they dont shoal?
     
  4. Ed Seeley

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    They tend to hang around together but I wouldn't really call them a shoal like most tetras or similar. AFAIK they aren't big jumpers. I wouldn't outnumber females with males as the girls will never get a break. The fish sold in the trade are either the correct species (very closely related to guppies), low-grade guppies sold as 'Endlers' or hybrids between the two so, just like guppies, males only have two things on their mind. And the second is food...
     
  5. Steve Smith

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    I have 2 pairs of Leopard endlers which I got from a British Livebearers Association auction about 2 months back. They were quite young but the females were gravid I believe. Anyhow, about 2 weeks ago I suddenly had 2 fry :) That was quite pleasing! Then, Firday morning I noticed some new fry again. I've counted 9 or 10 in this new batch!

    Anyhow, I have them on their own in a 27 litre cube, along with 6 amano shrimp. It was open top for about a month and I had no problems. As Ed says, they tend to hang around together, but not really shoal much. They'll occupy the same area of a tank, then move on a while later to another spot and hang around again.

    Very cute to look at though, the males are tiny :)

    Check out my tank >> here << :)
     
  6. aaronnorth

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    I have them in my 60l, they don't shaol that much, rather a group if one forms, they don't jump and they are a community fish
     
  7. curlywig

    curlywig Newly Registered

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    at the time i started with 2 males and 2 females in an 18 inch tank, i now just have 2 females in my 200litre tank and am slowly growing on the remaining 20+ fry on to take to my local shop,
     
  8. 20legend

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    I started off with 2 pairs about 6 months ago and was pleased as punch when i spotted 3 or 4 fry in my tank. I then went one step further, as i was sure that my other community inhabitants were eating most of the fry, and bought a Penn Plax AQUA-NURSERY - Automatic Circulating Hatchery http://www.pennplax.com/Pages/Aqua.page ... ua31F.html"
    What a top quality device!!! 100% safe fry collection from each litter, only problem is that they breed so much that i've had to stop using it so i don't end up over run with them. Have now had to separate males and females and am considering reintroducing my Harlequin Rasboras as a population control for any unexpected offspring.
     
  9. jayne

    jayne Member

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    Do they have to live in hard water like most livebearers or would they be OK in softer,acidic water?
     
  10. beeky

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    Depends on how soft and acidic you want to go. They're related to guppies so are pretty hardy, pH 6.5 is probably OK, any more acidic and they''ll probably be unhappy. If you're thinking of keeping them with your chocolates then one of them is going to suffer I reckon.
     
  11. curlywig

    curlywig Newly Registered

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    i live in cornwall and have a pH of 6.8 and soft water of about 2kh and they are fine
     

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