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Referb and restart after 30 years. Low tech.

Day 42
This week:
Upped the dose of of Carbo Elixir BIO to 0.6ml per day, from 0.28ml per day.
Upped the dose of TNC complete to 0.6ml per day, from 2.8ml per week.
Bugs are still there, so at least the water is still healthy. It seems to have helped the plant growth and water parameters.
NT Labs Aquarium Lab Water Test Set
AmmoniaNitriteNitratePHCarbonate hardnessGeneral hardness
NH₃NO₂NO₃
Datemg/Lmg/Lmg/LdKHdGH
Tap water from supplier
0.25​
12.65​
7.58​
6.21​
28/08/21 after 7 days
0.50​
0.50​
10.00​
7.50​
3.00​
5.00​
04/09/21 after 14 days
0.20​
0.25​
7.50​
7.20​
2.00​
5.00​
11/09/21 after 21 days
0.50​
0.25​
5.00​
6.75​
1.00​
5.00​
18/09/21 after 28 days
0.10​
0.25​
5.00​
6.75​
1.00​
4.00​
25/09/21 after 35 days
0.00​
0.13​
0.25​
7.25​
1.00​
5.00​
02/10/21 after 42 days
0.00​
0.50​
7.50​
7.00​
1.00​
6.00​

I now have some Nitrate for the plants to use.

I think things are now going in the right direction?
Weekly pics: Day 36 to 42
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Really admire your patience. There is probably some website that allows you to stitch all your daily photos together to create an animated graphic.

The increase in Nitrite levels is worrying though. By day 40+ it should be consistently 0.

It could be a lighting issue, but the Helanthium leaves in day 42 look less 'green' and more 'translucent' than say, your earlier photographs (eg: day 14). If it was a deficiency, then the added ferts should help sort it out.
 
Chipping in on the ember tetras - I’m also in Gloucestershire and have a 35 litre tapwater tank with 6 embers in it. They’ve only been in a week, but seem happy and at home.
It’s heavily planted and has wood and leaves (and a few cherry shrimp) but is tap water. Thought I’d pass that on if you’re worried about parameters. Tank has been set up for 8 weeks.
 
I'm a bit further a field, but I have plenty. I'm working away next week, but if you don't have any joy PM me at the end of the week and I can post you some. They travel well in damp moss.

Thanks to DW1305 I now have a host of snails eating their way through my brown algae. Already have snail paths appearing in the worst of it.
Also included from DW1305 were some
Crangonyx, they are great fun to watch running round the sub straight. My they can move fast.
Lumbriculus have totally vanished, I assume into the sub straight.

Thanks Darrel.
 
Really admire your patience. There is probably some website that allows you to stitch all your daily photos together to create an animated graphic.

The increase in Nitrite levels is worrying though. By day 40+ it should be consistently 0.

It could be a lighting issue, but the Helanthium leaves in day 42 look less 'green' and more 'translucent' than say, your earlier photographs (eg: day 14). If it was a deficiency, then the added ferts should help sort it out.
don’t think you can do it retrospectively but 1 Second Everyday would work for a fresh start
 
Day 49
This week:
Kept the dosing the same. The HELANTHIUM BOLIVIANUM is still dying back? The other plants are growing at least a leaf a week on all stems.
Since adding the snails donation, from DW1305, the brown algae has been put under control.
I decided to keep the moss that the snails came in and tied it to a rock using monofilament line. You never know when a bit of moss will come in handy.
Snails are doing OK, only one empty shell so far.
Crangonyx are doing OK, but I have only seen two at the same time. Fun to watch zooming around the tank
I have not seen the Lumbriculus, but then they are worms and will be deep in the sub straight.

NT Labs Aquarium Lab Water Test Set
AmmoniaNitriteNitratePHCarbonate hardnessGeneral hardness
NH₃NO₂NO₃
Datemg/Lmg/Lmg/LdKHdGH
Tap water from supplier0.2512.657.586.21
28/08/21 after 7 days0.500.5010.007.503.005.00
04/09/21 after 14 days0.200.257.507.202.005.00
11/09/21 after 21 days0.500.255.006.751.005.00
18/09/21 after 28 days0.100.255.006.751.004.00
25/09/21 after 35 days0.000.130.257.251.005.00
02/10/21 after 42 days0.000.507.507.001.006.00
09/10/21 after 49 days0.000.255.007.001.006.00

Nitrite has started to go down again. Good sign.
I am using API Tap Water Conditioner at the recommended dose for fresh water when doing water change. I have not seen any chlorine bubbles on the side of the plastic jerrycan after adding the conditioner. I have been putting the water in via the filter intake. I have now stopped that practice just in case the conditioner is not removing the chlorine and that is killing off my filter bacteria. I am also leaving the fresh water overnight and then giving it a good shake. I have been getting bubbles forming in the tank after water changes, This could just be oxygen coming out as the water warms up by about 6c once in the tank.

Weekly pics Day 43 to 49

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Day 56:
This week.
Busy day today and so I forgot to do water tests before water change. Unless something changes visibly, I will miss this week.
Moss: Is doing well now I have tied it to a stone. No idea what moss it is. It maybe VESICULARIA MONTAGNEI?
HYDROCOTYLE LEUCOCEPHALA: Had a prone today and planted the offcut at the front of the rest. It is still growing one or two leaves om each stem a week.
ECHINODORUS 'AQUARTICA': is growing about one new leaf a week. Some of the other leaves are showing signs of holes.
HELANTHIUM BOLIVIANUM: has not grown at all, but only lost one leaf this week. Very odd as this is and easy plant which needs roughly the same conditions as the other plants. The way it is not growing, I am tempted to replace it with ALTERNANTHERA REINEKII MINI (If I can find one in a pot).
BLADDER SNAILS: Are laying eggs. I am quite surprised how fast they move.
RAMSHORN SNAILS: Not sure if they are laying eggs. I like watching them doing acrobatic moves on the root of the pennywort.
CRANGONYX: They seem to have had babies. Very small (<1mm) white things running all over the filter. The two adults live in the roots of the pennywort and under the filter.
LUMBRICULUS: I have not seen any all week.
CYCLOPS: Lot of these darting through the current.

Weekly pics Day 50 to 56
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As far as fish goes. I am waiting until I have a good dense plant growth for them to hide in.
I am enjoying the animal life I have in there. It is fascinating watching this little ecosystem mature and stabilize.
 
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Day 63:
AmmoniaNitriteNitratePHCarbonate hardnessGeneral hardness
NH₃NO₂NO₃
Datemg/L or ppmmg/L or ppmmg/L or ppmdKHdGH
Tap water from supplier0.2512.657.586.21
28/08/21 after 7 days0.500.5010.007.503.005.00
04/09/21 after 14 days0.200.257.507.202.005.00
11/09/21 after 21 days0.500.255.006.751.005.00
18/09/21 after 28 days0.100.255.006.751.004.00
25/09/21 after 35 days0.000.130.257.251.005.00
02/10/21 after 42 days0.000.507.507.001.006.00
09/10/21 after 49 days0.000.255.007.001.006.00
16/10/21 after 56 days
23/10/21 after 63 days0.000.007.507.002.008.00

The nitrite looks better now.

Weekly pics day 57 to 63
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I am beginning to think the HELANTHIUM BOLIVIANUM is lacking nutrients. Looks like iron? The ECHINODORUS RUBIN older leaves are going yellow at the edges?
 
The Helanthium may be past the point of rescue rather than an indication of current conditions (i.e. if you put in a new Helanthium it might grow fine since you have increased the TNC complete dosing)

Given the test kits are not that accurate there might be a huge margin of error. So even your test kit says 0.25-5ppm NO3 in the past few weeks, it might have been closer to zero which would not have been good for the plants.

As you have pointed out, you only dosed TNC complete 0.4ml/day for the first 42 days before increasing to 0.6ml/day. This apparently adds only 2ppm of NO3 a week (no matter what the test kit says). MichaelJ in your water chemistry thread has pointed out/suggest that 3ml/day is needed to add 10ppm NO3 a week. I stand corrected if my maths is wrong, not easy to figure the numbers :)

As for Iron deficiency, I found this quote from Tom Barr which suggests that Fe is used to help with NO3 uptake... but if you don't have enough NO3 in the first place...
Plants need to use Fe as an enzyme co-factor for nitrate reductase enzyme systems, so when plants process nitrate into the proteins they are made from there is a requirement for Fe.
Up to 70% of Fe is used for NO3 uptake. Using NH4 and other forms of N can help reduce the need for Fe since plants use it(Fe) mostly for NO3 uptake. So under Fe limitation, NH4 sources of N are best.
 
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Thanks erwin123 and michaelj. I now understand what dose TNC complete should be to stop nutrients running out. 3ml/day.
I will increase it slowly, just in case all hell breaks loose. As of today I have upped it to 1.2ml/day.
It is my imagination, but they look healthier a couple of hours after the first dose.
I will keep this dose for a week, then review any changes.
With the idea to increase to 1.8ml week two, 2.4ml week three then 3ml week four.
That way I can see the difference and let the plants and animals get acclimatised to the new dosing.
 
Hi all,
Given the test kits are not that accurate there might be a huge margin of error. So even your test kit says 0.25-5ppm NO3 in the past few weeks, it might have been closer to zero which would not have been good for the plants.
I now understand what dose TNC complete should be to stop nutrients running out. 3ml/day. will increase it slowly, just in case all hell breaks loose.
That is why I <"watch the plants">, your eyes (the plants) <"can't lie">.
It is my imagination, but they look healthier a couple of hours after the first dose.
It might not be your imagination, you will get a <"pretty instant greening"> with the mobile nutrients.

cheers Darrel
 
Hi all,
It is my imagination, but they look healthier a couple of hours after the first dose.
How are they looking today?

This is a <"non-mobile nutrient (iron (Fe))"> but you can see the effect. This is over several weeks, with nitrogen (N) you really can see the leaves get greener over a couple of hours.

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cheers Darrel
 
Looking good today.
ECHINODORUS 'AQUARTICA': has gone a darker green. The slightly yellow leaves have got green at the stem, working slowly up the leaf.
HYDROCOTYLE LEUCOCEPHALA: has doubled it's growth and new stems are appearing.
HELANTHIUM BOLIVIANUM: seems to be growing new leaves. The baby one might even survive.
Lots of baby snails with little shells visible today.

Water looks a bit green. Might turn the lights down by 5% to 60%?
 
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Day 70:

Reading some of the threads here. I see that some people consider my tank as high tech! Apparently because I am adding Dennerle Carbo Elixir BIO this makes it high tech. I think I will just call it a tech tank.

Bit of a long one today. I hope that this is helping some of you. I hope the data and daily pics at least give people a datum regarding progress and cures for when it does not go as planned.

When I used to keep fish, I just had terrible troubles growing aquatic plants, so this is an achievement to have healthy growth for this long. Thanks to all those people out there who have put me on the right track.

Wildlife:
LUMBRICULUS: I finally saw them! About 11pm after lights off (lights on 12noon lights off 8pm) I shone a torch into the tank. As I slowly swept it around, there they were sticking up head first out of the soil, darting back down their hole as the light hit them.
BLADDER SNAILS: Have taken to riding around in clumps of up to 4 on each others backs. I wonder what they could be doing!!!
RAMSHORN SNAILS: Getting bigger and bigger. One has taken to water sky diving. It lets go from the spray bar and fly's around the tank in the current. After 15min or so another water sky diver, It looks like the same one!
CYCLOPS: Seems to be fewer now. Maybe because I don't notice them so much with everything else so active.
CRANGONYX: The adults are now out all of the time. When I was cleaning the tank today and doing the 33% water change, one was following the siphon and jumping on anything that got washed up. I wonder if I should start feeding them? What with, anyone know?? Just wait until I finally get some fish (If I ever do), they won't be so bold then.

Water:
AmmoniaNitriteNitratePHCarbonate hardnessGeneral hardness
NH₃NO₂NO₃
Datemg/L or ppmmg/L or ppmmg/L or ppmdKHdGH
Tap water from supplier0.2512.657.586.21
Tap water measured0.000.000.007.508.00
28/08/21 after 7 days0.500.5010.007.503.005.00
04/09/21 after 14 days0.200.257.507.202.005.00
11/09/21 after 21 days0.500.255.006.751.005.00
18/09/21 after 28 days0.100.255.006.751.004.00
25/09/21 after 35 days0.000.130.257.251.005.00
02/10/21 after 42 days0.000.507.507.001.006.00
09/10/21 after 49 days0.000.255.007.001.006.00
16/10/21 after 56 days
23/10/21 after 63 days0.000.007.507.002.008.00
30/10/21 after 70 days0.000.005.007.002.008.00

Looks like Hardness has stabilised. Think I will stop doing that test weekly and maybe only monthly just to check it has not gone mad.
Bit worried that the Nitrate NO₃ is still swinging between 5.0 and 7.5. Nitrite NO₂ has finally settled down.

Plants:
All doing well. At the beginning of the week I upped the daily doses of TNC complete from 0.6ml to 1.2ml and Dennerle Carbo Elixir BIO from 0.6ml to 0.8ml. The plants seemed to be enjoying this.
Since the members here said that I should be dosing 3ml of TNC complete a day, I have been upping the dose each week by 0.6ml. so today I dosed 1.2ml. Dennerle Carbo Elixir BIO is going up to 1ml per day. Lets see what that does to the plants and wildlife!
I have moved the stone with the moss in ........ anticipation of getting some ALTERNANTHERA REINECKII MINI to put at the back left.

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All doing well. At the beginning of the week I upped the daily doses of TNC complete from 0.6ml to 1.2ml and Dennerle Carbo Elixir BIO from 0.6ml to 0.8ml. The plants seemed to be enjoying this.
Since the members here said that I should be dosing 3ml of TNC complete a day, I have been upping the dose each week by 0.6ml. so today I dosed 1.2ml. Dennerle Carbo Elixir BIO is going up to 1ml per day. Lets see what that does to the plants and wildlife!
I have moved the stone with the moss in ........ anticipation of getting some ALTERNANTHERA REINECKII MINI to put at the back left.

When I add more ferts, my Sera test kit usually shows a darker colour (i.e. indicating higher No3 levels). In your case, after doubling the amount of ferts you are adding, your NO3 test shows a 33% drop in NO3 ... I think your test kit is way off.
 
When I add more ferts, my Sera test kit usually shows a darker colour (i.e. indicating higher No3 levels). In your case, after doubling the amount of ferts you are adding, your NO3 test shows a 33% drop in NO3 ... I think your test kit is way off.
Mmmmmm Interesting. I am using NT labs. Yesterday I tested the tap water, dechlorinated and left it over night. Took a test sample in the morning. Water suppliers say NO₃ is between 6.54mg/l and 20.36mg/l from 8 results and my test said zero. There is something wacky going on. The water supply in this area comes from a lot of different sources (springs everywhere peculating through all that Cotswold stone). The tests are in date. Anyone else use NT labs and had problems with the NO₃ test? Might have to go to LFS and pick up a different make NO₃ kit just to check.
 
Day 077.
This weeks dosing:
Daily 1.8ml tnc complete.
Daily 1.0ml Carbo Elixir BIO

Wildlife:
SNAILS: Are multiplying at a tremendous rate. I have very clean glass. Got a bit of brown algae on plants, Snails are having a good old party.
LUMBRICULUS: Still allusive.
CYCLOPS: Numbers seem to be stable. I don't know what they eat?
CRANGONYX: 3 adults out today. They seem to eat something on the surface of the substrate. As soon as I started to clean, they were out. One stopped in the same place for ages eating something. Better get an extension tube for my camera and do some close-ups.

Water:
Did a 33% water change today. Did not bother to do water tests. I am thinking of getting some API 5 in 1 test strips. Then I can do a quick test every week before water change. Only use the full test kit if I find a problem.

Plants:
ECHINODORUS 'AQUARTICA': It has grown two leaves this week and the leaves are longer.
HYDROCOTYLE LEUCOCEPHALA: I had to do another prune today. Planted it after cutting of all the lower leaves.
HELANTHIUM BOLIVIANUM: Still alive and growing very slowly. Maybe next weeks increase in fertiliser will make a difference.

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I am thinking of getting some API 5 in 1 test strips. Then I can do a quick test every week before water change. Only use the full test kit if I find a problem
Yeah this is the way I went. Then the vagueness and inconsistency of test strips led to CBA for those too, and now I just test TDS every couple of weeks. Haven't done any other test for about 6 months.
 
Day 084.
This weeks dosing:
Daily 2.4ml tnc complete.
Daily 1.0ml Carbo Elixir BIO

Wildlife:
SNAILS: Are doing their job, polishing my leaves.
LUMBRICULUS: Still allusive.
CYCLOPS: Numbers have increased.
CRANGONYX: Have decided they like living in the first two compartments of the filter. Cleaned all sponges, except one medium one. Saw at least 6 in there.

Water:
Did a 33% water change today. As suggested by DW1305. Instead of relying on test values, I have been watching the colour of the plants. They look a nice shade of green to me.

Plants:
ECHINODORUS 'AQUARTICA': Now it is getting quite big leaves.
HYDROCOTYLE LEUCOCEPHALA: Yet another prune this week. Getting quite a dense patch to cover the filter and spray bar.
HELANTHIUM BOLIVIANUM: Has started to grow back. We will have to see what happens after next weeks fertilizer increase to the magical 3ml/day target for this size of tank.

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