saintly's "The Miracle Mire" scape over

Mark Evans

Expert
Joined
13 Jun 2008
Messages
6,486
Location
newark notts.
jay said:
Just why does it have to be so expensive though!

i'm not using any of these plants in the next scape. and i got to buy new ones and substrate.

samc said:
its a real shame for it to be over iv been monitoring the progress every update since u started with a few rocks. i was looking foward to seeing it finnished how u wanted it.

thats life samc. it's over to Jay to carry the torch to IAPLC
 

jay

Member
Joined
22 Apr 2008
Messages
693
Location
Harrow, Middlesex
saintly said:
jay said:
thats life samc. it's over to Jay to carry the torch to IAPLC

Reckon there's more sturdy hand's out there for that torch mate.

Believe you're going for a large iwagumi next?
Sure you'll be up and running in no time. Every cloud.....
 

Dave Spencer

Member
Joined
3 Jul 2007
Messages
1,389
Location
N. Wales
Re: saintly's "The Miracle Mire"

saintly said:
i've been away for a couple of days and i upped my co2 thinking it was ok.

I learnt the hard way that a CO2 adjustment has to be monitored. I wiped out a load of Copper harlequins in my 120cm.

I use a hose to fill up the 120cm, and I make sure nothing distracts me from that job. I could imagine a waterfall would occur in no time.

Have you got a decent photo of the tank pre disaster that may be worth entering?

Dave.
 

Mark Evans

Expert
Joined
13 Jun 2008
Messages
6,486
Location
newark notts.
Dave Spencer said:
Have you got a decent photo of the tank pre disaster that may be worth entering?

no, just the one that you've probably just looked at...

test.jpg


really not good enough. sp green had just been trimmed.

Thomas McMillan said:
Aww this is such a massie shame.

I'm actually really upset for you.

thomas, it's fine mate. things happen. i've learnt LOADS from this ;) things can only get better.

jay said:
Believe you're going for a large iwagumi next?

that was the plan, but i really cant afford anything at the minute :? i didnt plan for this.
 

scottturnbull

Member
Joined
30 Oct 2008
Messages
132
You've got a knack of leaving me lost for words. Hard luck mate. I enjoyed reading this thread.
 

TDI-line

Member
Joined
11 Nov 2007
Messages
1,535
Location
Yaxley, Peterborough
Hey Mark (fish-killer),

sorry to hear about your tank, it really was a masterpiece, one of my favorites on here,

but on the bright side i suppose you could always upgrade to a big big tank now... ;)
 

Tony Swinney

Member
Joined
14 Dec 2008
Messages
1,187
Location
Cobham, Surrey
Such a shame Saintly - was looking great.

As you say, you'll take what you've learnt on to the next scape and that'll be better for it. ;)

Cheers

Tony
 

Mark Evans

Expert
Joined
13 Jun 2008
Messages
6,486
Location
newark notts.
very touching everyone,it honestly means a lot. the plan now is to take the reaming 10 fish (embers and silver tip) to MA. what ottos and shrimp i have go to mums tank. ballon ram survived :wideyed: SAE'E didnt.
red eyd did, and there munching on dead fish.

once there gone, i'll take the thing apart. salvage what i can plant wise, i may set up my other 60, not sure about that one yet. i know there's a load of vultures out there waiting to pick at my bones, but please hang fire on asking for my spare plants. they will become available eventually.

the real bummer is the fact all my good landscape rock is in the MA scape. i could of made an absolute great iwagumi with all the stone i have. that's out the window :(

just looking through Nature Aquarium book 1 gives me ideas every time i look at it and 1 in particular where he uses NO hard scape....... the thought lingers in my head now.

I'm forgetting about IAPLC now, competition just kills the passion inside me. i got to do this for me..... 8)
 

LondonDragon

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
21 Feb 2008
Messages
10,965
Location
London
I can feel your pain mate :( same thing happened to me back in September when I lost most of my fish and then found them amongst the plants everywhere and had to strip the entire tank :( hard luck mate it was looking great.

Next time wait longer before you place fish in the tank, get everything right, thats what I am going to do, now only have 13 fish in my tank and no shrimp, lost my amanos too :(

Look forward to your future work mate, you have talents ;)
 

George Farmer

Founder
Staff member
Joined
30 Jun 2007
Messages
7,068
Location
Cambridgeshire
Tragic, Mark. :(

You didn't deserve such rotten luck. You're one of the nicest and most talented guys on here, and your journals are so valuable on so many levels.

To see this come to such an abrupt and untimely end is very saddening.

I know it's tough at the moment but one day you'll back on this as a valuable lesson.

Chin up dude. :)
 

Ray

Member
Joined
31 Oct 2007
Messages
676
Location
Switzerland
Mark,
What an awful experience. It seems to happen to everyone, - remember the tank in Nature Aquarium World 1 where he comments there are no fish because the PH probe came out the water and the CO2 went flat out? Before you strip it down I suggest you walk away for a day or 4 and take a deep breath. In my experience these situations can always be salvaged easier than you would think in the heat of the momemt. In any case, as discussed - there was a problem with lack of depth, so this is a great opportunity to fiddle with that.
Remember after my blackout when all the crypts had vanished...? I never spent a penny on extra plants after then, they just all grew again. There have been occasions when I've just wanted to cry and give it all up, but sometimes I think it pays to be stubborn and persevere.
Get the CO2 running at a low level, fish out the dead fish, and then take a breather for a couple of days before you decide what to do.
Thoughts are with you mate.
Ray
 

Mark Evans

Expert
Joined
13 Jun 2008
Messages
6,486
Location
newark notts.
LondonDragon said:
Look forward to your future work mate, you have talents ;)

you too paulo, you too ;)

George Farmer said:
You didn't deserve such rotten luck. You're one of the nicest and most talented guys on here, and your journals are so valuable on so many levels.

thanks George, i really cant believe how attached i'd come to this set up. here's to the next one...

Ray said:
remember the tank in Nature Aquarium World 1 where he comments there are no fish because the PH probe came out the water and the CO2 went flat out?

oddly enough ray, i was reading that last night in my hotel room, then my wife rang....spooky.

isnt it a great book though. i'm becoming a massive fan of his early works.if you want to learn from a great artist, learn from the artist early works ;)

Ray said:
Before you strip it down I suggest you walk away for a day or 4 and take a deep breath. In my experience these situations can always be salvaged easier than you would think in the heat of the moment. In any case, as discussed - there was a problem with lack of depth, so this is a great opportunity to fiddle with that.

it's too fr gone ray. i did try and re assemble it but really didn't work. i have realised why that image looked 2 D....the hard scape was too close the front, so it gave the sense that there was no foreground....or very little at least.

when i took the wood from the front out, it just opened up. thing was the wood on the sides just collapsed :(
 

GreenNeedle

Member
Joined
19 Jul 2007
Messages
2,720
Location
Lincoln UK
Thats a bummer Mark. Has happened to many of us though. My first scape was the one where all the mistakes happened so you've done quite well to get this far before anything major like this.

I learnt with the first scape :
Not to use hairnets. bottom dwellers get caught on it.
Not to use cotton thread - fish get their gills trapped on it
Not to use mesh for moss - Otos get their heads stuck in them
Ensure moss walls have no gaps at all!!! - Small fish get stuck behind them and then others get their heads stuck trying to get to the protein!!

Oh and then I had the CO2 incident which nearly made me give up, but I persevered although cautiously since. lol

I liked this one. Not overboard on the lights, nice colouration and shape and I like to see wood when its in the tank so that was nice too. Looking forward to the next one though.

AC
 

altaaffe

Member
Joined
13 Jul 2008
Messages
309
Location
Thornhill, Egremont, Cumbria
That's awful, as said the worse thing that could happen, has. I really enjoyed looking in on your hournals to see how things were going so it was a shock when I saw the title had changed. But as Andy has said above and you have also said, we learn from these things the hard way and you already sound as though the gears inside your are starting to gather momentum again.

saintly said:
I'm forgetting about IAPLC now, competition just kills the passion inside me. i got to do this for me..... 8)

As Jay said on his post, probably the best way to be.
 

Mark Evans

Expert
Joined
13 Jun 2008
Messages
6,486
Location
newark notts.
SuperColey1 said:
I liked this one. Not overboard on the lights, nice colouration and shape and I like to see wood when its in the tank so that was nice too. Looking forward to the next one though.

from you Andy, that means a lot. :) cheers mate. i now got to fish out a load of baby cherries that are still in there.

altaaffe said:
you already sound as though the gears inside your are starting to gather momentum again.

oh yes, like a train mate, like a train. aqua journals and NA book 1 getting some hammer.

aaronnorth said:
A big shame, anyway of turning this into a nursery and try to keep the plants alive? Even if it isnt a "proper" scape.

a nice thought Aaron, but ultimately a waist of time....no point in prolonging death. i need to get cracking with the next one.
 
Top