Super flow!

Discussion in 'Filters, Filtration and Pumps' started by George Farmer, 29 Oct 2008.

  1. George Farmer

    George Farmer Founder Staff Member

    Messages:
    7,089
    Location:
    Cambridgeshire
    I've just upgraded the filter in my Aqua Essentials 60cm opti-white - again.

    It's a Superfish Pro 4 external with max. rated flow of 1550lph. It just about squeezed in the cabinet alongside my 6-way extension lead and 2Kg FE CO2 system.

    Outflow is through an Aquatic Magic glass lily pipe and the circulation characteristics are superb. All the plants sway gently throughout the water column. Inlet is a regular JBL plastic thing as I broke my glass one. I'm considering a 17mm ADA set but at almost £200... I may go a bit crazy at the TGM/ADA day!

    I've also fitted the brand new Arcadia OT2 luminaire.

    Look out for a PFK blog soon on this tank complete with photos etc.
     
  2. Ed Seeley

    Ed Seeley Member

    Messages:
    3,262
    Location:
    Nottingham
    You didn't waste much time changing stuff mate! Welcome back and I bet it feels good to have your hands in the water again eh?

    What's your hourly turnover now then? x20!!!?
     
  3. George Farmer

    George Farmer Founder Staff Member

    Messages:
    7,089
    Location:
    Cambridgeshire
    Thanks, Ed. 25x turnover... :D 10x is old-school. lol

    Yes, it's great to be able to mess around with my tanks again. I've re-scaped it after Emily looked after it (well) for 4 months. Nothing too off-the-wall for now and I've kept most of the old plants and all the fish.

    What I'm also excited about is my new 370 litre tank (120x50x70cm tall) that I'm planning for discus...
     
  4. LondonDragon

    LondonDragon Administrator Staff Member

    Messages:
    10,281
    Location:
    London
    WOW 25X GEORGE IS BACK!! hehe looking forward to see what you find out from this kind of flow.

    You might only have the 2000lph as the impeler in the filter won't be able to compete with the pump, might be worth removing it all together in the filter! but then I again I have no experience in doing this :)
     
  5. a1Matt

    a1Matt Member

    Messages:
    2,518
    Location:
    Bromley
    My train of thought was going the same way with regards to competing impellers. I thought I might get 2000 'and a little bit.' I also wonder if placement makes a difference - if I place the filter before my monster size reactor and the pump after it, it might reduce the 'competition'.

    I hadn't thought of removing the impeller completely though :!: This is a nice possibility to ponder... I could then get a 3000lph rated Eheim, and just leave the filter turned off. On my 160l this would give me a rated flow approaching 20x. Hmmmm.....
     
  6. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Member

    Messages:
    4,428
    Location:
    Leamington Spa, UK.
    How did you find the filter George? Not seen one of these before.
     
  7. George Farmer

    George Farmer Founder Staff Member

    Messages:
    7,089
    Location:
    Cambridgeshire
    Brilliant filter! Loads of media capacity, excellent self-prime, 1550lph and fairly quiet. 32 watts I think.

    It started out in life in Jeremy Gay's 120cm Iwagumi (Jan '08 PFK). Then in a couple of my 120cm 'scapes supplemented by a JBL external (1200lph). Then in Dan Crawford's tank. Now I have it back again. We swap gear all the time actually - including whole tank set ups.
     
  8. Mark Evans

    Mark Evans Expert

    Messages:
    6,492
    Location:
    newark notts.
    im sure i can beat georges flow.

    1 x rena xp2 and a 2028 on the same size tank 8) ooo, and the crappy little black filter?.....gone

    and after 24 hoyrs of the 2 running, its like thers no water just soooo clear.
     
  9. a1Matt

    a1Matt Member

    Messages:
    2,518
    Location:
    Bromley
    What does that make your turnover?
     
  10. jay

    jay Member

    Messages:
    693
    Location:
    Harrow, Middlesex
    Really like the sound of the Supefish external. Was thinking of adding one to my 120cm along with a Fluval 405.

    So cheap too!!
     
  11. Luketendo

    Luketendo Member

    Messages:
    463
    Location:
    West Sussex, England
    You're getting into marine style equipment now George. :eek: (By this I mean the sort of stuff you could use on a reef aquarium.)
     
  12. Mark Evans

    Mark Evans Expert

    Messages:
    6,492
    Location:
    newark notts.
    2100 l per hour divide by 65 L ? is that right? = 32.3
     
  13. a1Matt

    a1Matt Member

    Messages:
    2,518
    Location:
    Bromley
    That is the right calculation :)

    Wow! 32x turnover is an impressive figure. I think it is great people are pushing the flow rates right up on their tanks. This and dosing large amount of macros are the two big changes that I have noticed since starting to keep fish 20 years ago. (It could just be I am noticing it now, but I suspect not).
     
  14. aaronnorth

    aaronnorth Member

    Messages:
    3,955
    Location:
    worksop, nottinghamshire
    do you really need need 32x turnove your tank though? I think George with 25x is the max i would go and on the edge of being pointless, IMO 20x is plenty, i only have 10x and my plants are doing great.
     
  15. Dan Crawford

    Dan Crawford Founder Staff Member

    Messages:
    3,266
    Location:
    Daventry, Northants
    Each to their own mate, as you can see, Saintly's plants are doing REAL well!

    The superfish filter is really really good although it did "burp" a lot, and it was in my bedroom! Otherwise its spot on.
     
  16. jay

    jay Member

    Messages:
    693
    Location:
    Harrow, Middlesex
    When I first started reading about 20x+ turnover in tanks I thought it was a bit much, but if you think about it, the more the merrier really. Most fish we kep would benefit greatly from lost of flow (river anyone??) and we all know how good turnover helps combat cyanobacteria.

    Also, I think once you bring into account added extras in-line, like heaters and reactors etc.. and heavy plant mass in a tank, then The turnover wouldn't be quite as brutal as thought.

    Pump that water I say! :D
     
  17. SuperColey1

    SuperColey1 Member

    Messages:
    2,677
    Location:
    Lincoln UK
    A lot of the fish we keep are not from turbulent rivers though. Many are from almost still waters or stagnant pools in which case the more flow the more they are stressed. I do find however that most fish I get love to play in the output flow for a while before resting in the quieter areas.

    AC
     
  18. jay

    jay Member

    Messages:
    693
    Location:
    Harrow, Middlesex
    Thats what I mean. There will be a lot of flow, but the plant mass will create more than enough areas for them to settle...
    Just like a river bank.
     
  19. Mark Evans

    Mark Evans Expert

    Messages:
    6,492
    Location:
    newark notts.
    :lol: how do you know 25 is the max ;)

    anyway, if you look at my journal you'll see its not permanent. its only until i get my other tank set up then its going back. BUT.... now i can see a MASSIVE difference in water clarity and movement i may just go down this particular route.

    BTW my red eye tetras love the flow
     
  20. Mark Evans

    Mark Evans Expert

    Messages:
    6,492
    Location:
    newark notts.
    people fish are stream lined. there not BRICKS.

    just take a look at th river trent in flood season (most of the year :lol: ) you cant tell me the fish get out and say... sod this im taking lodge in a local hotel till the flow drops. minnows, fry etc....

    tanks have low flow areas even with high flow rates. :D
     

Share This Page

Facebook Page
Twitter Page
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice