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I have tan tigers in high tech, they’re slow to get going but are as robust as cherries once the colony is stable. They need more minerals and protein than cherries to be successful. Co2 they don’t seem bothered by.

Depends, I’ve sold them as “wild” cherries in the past as they have a certain charm to those that don’t want super bold colours and though not lucrative it always provided enough to justify the effort.

I tried them and it’s worth noting they will turn aquasoil into slurry.

It’s also what you want them for, snails for algae aren’t the same snails as snails for aesthetics, aren’t the same as decomposers. For example viviparous snails will tick your box of no eggs, but you will find them usually larger and more specialist than say, a pond snail. Have a look here for...

What do you want the snails to do?

I use migon/Blau/any other number of the rebranded azoo hobs with a stainless mesh filter guard from aqua rebel.

Purple? Not really. Genetics don’t really work that way. Blue and reds usually give a mix of lesser coloured blue and red and after a few generations you’ll get mostly lesser coloured red brown.

Yeah, if already dead all fish will pick at a tasty shrimp inc things we consider algae eaters like otocinclus. I’m gut instinct is that is what the op has observed. deep breath howeverrrr, knowing the species in question from daily observation, I know that if they get a chance and get lucky...

Yeahhhhhh Jaseon is on the money with this one, unless it’s an optical illusion and that’s a 10gallon bowl it’s a bit too far along the nano scale for fish and as he points out, shrimp, when added will be very much victimised given their very strong hunting response. I feed mine on a mix of...

Oh yeah, they’ll take an unlucky adult cherry if they get half a chance. They’re extremely proficient and active hunters more than willing to take a chance on something many times larger than their mouth.

I was about to post that I have least killis and even the tiny males will take baby shrimp. I haven’t seen a single baby shrimp in the tank with galaxies, they’re extremely predatory when you watch their behaviour. Neons exhibit much the same behaviour where if it enters the water column and it...

I was breeding black rose cherries in a 60x30x30 tetra off the shelf tank, the one with the full length light, usually it costs about £40, can be found for around a tenner every now and then as a play mobile set. Threw the filter out and used a second hand 2213. Set up was 50% of substrate...

In a walstead they likely will be totally fine however, I once added them into one of my aquasoil shrimp tanks and over the course of around 3months they turned it into silt.

Aspistogamma, even the tiny ones, are a gamble with shrimps… same for all the centrepiece fish you picked. I’ve kept aspistogamma borelli in the past and one trio left the cherry shrimps alone save for one or two babies and another trio where even inch long amanos weren’t safe.

Now that is a pretty shramp. Hope it makes it into the EU if it’s a stable strain.

Googled ramshorn, first result, "leopard ramshorn". Not so silly eh, looks like a positive id too.

It's a ramshorn of some kind, I get have the same ones in my tanks, don't really mind them but they do bully the shrimp of their food so I try to thin numbers some. They get quite big, around 15mm shell is the largest of mine.

It's best to buy juveniles, they're more adaptable and give a better chance of them adapting to your water. The pumpkin orange ones are nice, I'd like them for my next setup.

I have black rose that I stopped selecting colour lines from because I'm lazy. If you're consistent and your tank parameters don't swing so wildly from tap, they will adapt and reproduce provided there's sufficient higher-protein food. I suspect all cherries except the extremely selected lines...

http://www.crustahunter.com/en/node/1475

I would assume it's concentrated food but not the actual microfauna which would already be present. http://www.crustahunter.com/de/node/46 Here is a good article on good shrimp foods. And another on leaves. http://www.crustahunter.com/en/node/1475

I've done some reading about on products like this lately and the german hobbyists seem to think it's largely bunk and just use self collected dead leaves instead which produce a huge boom in microfauna.

A fascinating thread, really well done!

Indeed, most shops don't know any better, it's on their lists as Amanos, why would they think they're not. That and they are ill equipped to give the correct species when they're outwardly identical especially if they don't suspect otherwise.

There was threads about this a few years back and I second what NA Fan says, they're not true amano's, in the same way that some plant species are impossible to tell apart without looking at a microscope the same is said for the above shrimps. It's a case of mistaken identity compounded by a...

Placed an offer lets hope they get back to me positively.

Email chris lukhaup. I've been after them for what seems like forever and always manage to miss out on getting them. They basically need CLEAN water at 25c, 2/3rds land and high humidity, they're suspected to be arboreal so complex stacks of wood would be appreciated by them. Food wise they...

Most people on here don't use dechlorinator, I hadn't for years till I got shrimp, the tank won't actually be uncycled however, the levels of chlorine simply aren't high enough and the bacteria simply aren't that wimpy.

All of the things mentioned are possible causes. Another possible one is shrimp come from waters very low in bacterial growth, almost sterile, a tank is like a hospital ward and infections are highly likely.

Yeah, and I'll have a passport! You best get saving for it, Paulo!

The images in your most recent post aren't working for me, Paulo. They look beautiful shrimp though, I'd love to get my hands on some. Also, pop on chat at some point, I could do with asking a couple o'questions.

A lot of shrimp keeps have shifted to RO and HMA I've noticed, the original shrip seem to come from nearly pure rainwater with very low levels of mineral content. I can't keep shrimp at all, no matter what I try they die on me overnight and I fully suspect it to be copper related, when you're...

Oh eye spy, white sand foreground photo of the shrimps, fully planted substrate photo? I sense a rescape! Tank looks great, good luck, like I say, when a animal is so adaptable many people will offer information claiming it to be optimal so it's something I'm not at all surprised by.

If you go on ASW email Chris laukhaup or contact him via crusta10 he's collected them wild in china so would be the best to ask. I'm pretty certain it was surprisingly low, something like 16 day 14 night. You just have to remember that heat is in control of metabolism so they may breed faster...

Re: Advice for cherry shrimp set-up Everything seems in order, shirmps as a general rule do best when they have access to leaf litter as most naturally occur in cool fast-ish flowing rivers/streams that have little to no vegetation, a sandy gravel substrate and quiet high levels of leaf mulm in...

Ada aquasoil and wood? I'm not sure, my ph always seems to float around that level once it's in the tank?

Hello, I've never had any luck with shrimp so on getting some bargain bee shrimp I decided to get 6. This morning however my bad luck with shrimp struck again and I found all 6 dead around the algae pellet I'd added to feed them. I'd drip acclimatized the shrimp for 7 hours nearly 8, half way...

They feed on greenwater, I've only done rudimentary research into it but the basics are the water goes green you add the zoas and then after a few month in the green water you net then out and over a month or so revert them to freshwater.

Because that's how they're evolved to breed? Not enough suitable food for the zoe stage of their life so allow them to float down into the brakish/marine environments where there's lots of food and then migrate back into fresh water. It's something I want to try but I'm not at all okay with...

Amanos are cannibals in themselves, as are cherries. The risks are so low they're negligible I'd say, especially once your cherries are breeding normally.

Best course of action is to go to the bank and discuss it with your bank manager, paypal are useless more often than not.

It's my understanding they take fry and the tiniest of shrimps but I never saw it. I had m. preacox and they actively hunted them out till the point even if I tried I couldn't find any.

No one looks like a hydra, I had them initially in my nano but my rainbows soon saw them off.

No, no, I meant that the 30% a day water change was under the assumption that the tank is a highlight, I should have been clearer.

I think that's on the assumption that it's a high light tank, as tom mentions in the thread, that if you don't want to do water changes then the tank is going to be vastly different to if you want it to look good. It's a case of picking your poison, or as usual, highlight or low.

I could never recommend otos for anything less than say 4-5gallons, even then that's a push. Those loaches are bigger still so I'd imagine they're even more unsuitable! I don't mind shrimp being eaten really, natural selection ;) I'd never pay huge ammounts for shrimp, I scoffed at crs at £8...

Thanks Darrel. A fish I'd love to try, I see them going as job lots in pets at home often and wish I could find room in a tank for them. I always think they'd be a good oto option for those who like to keep their tanks cooler like me (23 on average) but then I remember they're rivine and that...

Aquasoil/florabase or similar, acadama with tropica base if it's to be very cheap. It depends on what you want from the tank.

Every time I see "chinese plecs" I can't remember the scientific name, I want to set up a tank just like that, they're such a pretty fish. Yeah, that's pretty much true, sometimes the best lessons are from nature, no matter in what aspect.

Yes, I remember the article, I think I read it more than any in the recent pfks, I just never put two and two together, it would also explain why alot of people are reporting that their shrimps are much more reproductive when kept cooler and have access to leaf litter, that in turn would...

That's an interesting point, luis, I'd never considered that, this would surely suggest shrimps are high co2, rivine, type animals and as such would need elevated levles of o2? If that's the case i'd bet my bottom dollar a lot of deaths could well be o2 starvation.

If you breed crystal reds and blues together you get a black or muddy brown shrimp, sometimes blue depending on the original speicies. Without pictures I'm not sure I believe this. :?

Sell or swap them most shops give credit to the tune of £0.50 - £1.50 a cherry shrimp or you could put them on the forum, many people will bite your hand off for them if the price is right.

Who knows, painted sort of means that it's exactly that, painted. If it's anything like the practice in painting fish then it's a disgusting, vile & reprehensible practice and should never be practiced. And no, if they're painted then the offspring wouldn't be the same.

It says in the text it's painted, so it sounds even more suspect to me!

The starry shrimp is pretty common at the minute, it regularly crops up in maidenheads and my local fish shop. That emperor shrimp looks baffling, looks like a marine?

The first one looks shopped to me, something just doesn't look right. I can't be the only one who likes his critters dull though?

I had one but there was nothing out of the unusual. Too weird for me though, it's so hard to track issues like that because the kits are either impossible to get or so inaccurate you can't get a good idea of the problems.

Hmm, I had this problem once but lost the shrimp before I got to the bottom of it, mine happened after a particularly large water change, I assumed that it was because I'd used hot water that the copper content was very high. I always strugled with inverts in Hollington/stoke on trent. Something...

They're supposedly 100% aqautic which is rare for crabs. They're also tiny so I wouldn't be surprised if they stay in the water, the risk of being eaten being pretty high. Here's a link to a breeding report, not the one I originally saw, that was on a thai forum but I can't find the thread...

Ebay has them, there's also a few shrimp shops that have them. They're reportedly pretty difficult and so far there's only one report of breeding apparently needing high levels of minute foods like phytoplankton.

They didn't. They're from a wild strain of black bee type shrimp, after a while red ones appeared these then isolated and breed until the recessive gene that caused the red strain came to the fore and they bred "true". Nothing to do with Cherrys. haha

In theory no. There's a lot of contention regarding it at the moment, same with liquid carbon but we don't know what else is going on in the tank that could be a possible cause for moralities before pointing the fingers at ferts straight away. I think as long as you adjust them slowly you'd be fine.

Sorry forgot to add the link. http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... GB___GB344

There's a german seller that sells unusual ones that I linked over in a shrimp thread, they give pretty good advice with being linked to chris lukhaup. I've always been told it's impossible though, not in our kind of tanks.

Ahhh, from reading it I was under the impression that the fans weren't working, I'd read it as though you'd lost your shrimps because the fans didn't work.

Hmm, You could get DIY a chiller, I saw one one a reefer forum made from one of those old cube fridges they have beer promotions screen printed on. Bit more hard work but worth it with expensive shrimp I'd imagine.

Just a thought, but is it not worth just moving the tanks to a room that stays cool? My old house used to be hellish in the summer so my tanks used to get moved onto a back room in my grandparents house which with being below ground level stayed nicely cool.

Next to impossible by all accounts, they're filter feeding animals so you'd have to figure out their diet and supply it. The Marine ones can't be taken out of water, and are very easy to kill with the tiniest temperature peak so using a coldwater one in the 28-30 degrees needed for sulawesi...

Afraid not, Orange shrimp need a brackish stage to breed.

Purple zebra too. My LFS has Orange shrimp in all the time and reckons they're the hardiest of them all.

It's not really very good asking me personally, I've only read about keeping them but I have no experience. I did have Tiger shrimp and I found they bred much much better when I gave them lettuce and cucumber from my nan's greenhouse than when i just fed crab cuisine. TA are really good, I've...

I'm guessing it'll be an expensive product with little science. I just read this thread and it seems like crs need plant food much more than meat meal and that something bacterial is what they thrive of. http://www.reg-crsworld.com/crs/archiver/?tid-777.html

What are the plants? did they get planted into the substrate? If they did then I think it could be an ammonia/nitrate other nasty peaking by being released into the water column! :!:

Copper treated plants do you know?

I wouldn't say freak, cherries are naturally brown/clear, the reds have been selectively bred into them.

I don't think it is, the rosterum donesn't look right and the poise is different to amanos which appear kinked midway.

Hey that's good to know! Stoke water really is very poor by all accounts, just reinforces it! How's the aquariums in Manchester? Anything nice? Who do you get your shrimp off? I'm after vampire crabs still and I know some German sellers have them.

Dan, you get your shrimp from Germany don't you? I see you're in Manchester now, I'll drop you a pm, leeds isn't so far away.

They arrive in the water and via the air, it's a fact of life, gutting the tank really isn't going to solve it every single tank will have similar inhabitants, it's just a fact of life. Copper treatments will kill them but then you won't ever get to have shrimp or snails. Just wait till your...

planaria, they're pretty common in shrimp tanks and new set ups. As best I know they're harmless, fish enjoy them which is a bonus as they're not pretty.

Sounds a lot like water fleas, I used to get them in the first weeks of a set up but when I added fish they always dissappeared, presumably eaten.

I haven't a clue on their identity but they're exceptionally pretty!

Not as interesting colour wise but more suitable would be micro crabs, they're hard to come by but I've read that they're fantastic little critters.

They're actually brackish and won't thrive as well as they could, They're nice but can and will destroy a planted tank, they're best suited to terrariums and they're highly skilled anglers, I watched one crab catch and consume a siamese algae eater in a dealers tank so I'd guess they're not fish...

Stick um in the big tank, you won't regret it. :twisted:

My vampires are coming from Germany, they were the only place in the end I could get any. The micro crabs mentioned on here are coming in through two sellers on Ebay, if you find my thread on them there's a link for one seller, the othe goes by something like "rarest finds aquatics" and they've...

the crabs in this aritcle are fully freshwater originating from the roots of floating plants on thai rivers, they're entirely plant and fish safe and get no bigger than most shrimps. I read tonnes of stuff on crabs to help choose species, evetually I settled on vampires, these are brilliant...

How are you finding them in a dosed and co2 injected aquarium? Are they as touchy as people suggest? I see you're using ADA aquasoil do they mind the lower ph?

Yeah I'd read that Tom Barr was breeding CRS in tanks with co2 and EI dosing so I'd suggest it must be fine. I'd rather have Co2 over excel any day. It's much more reliable.

Hmm, heating mats are something I'll have to look into. it shouldn't be too difficult though I'd imagine. It's just finding someone to badger who has street knowledge. Talking of HOB's there's some on ebay for £3 that would probably be spot on. :lol:

Yeah, I've heard they're bad for escaping, not vampires, but red claws, this is presumably them just wanting extra food and dry land though. haha, always the sales man, I'll have a look about and see first then I'll get back to you. I think I want a beached area, I think I know how to to it...

As some of you might have noticed I'm after a trio of vampire crabs (if you can help me get some pm me). In the mean time what would I need to keep them? I'm not one for ugly tanks so Ideally I'd be wanting to do something like a palladium, live plants and a nice aquascape. Also, I'd imagine I'd...

I'll probably get some for my nano when I get it rescaped, I do really like the look of them. Crabs are fascinating. I should post up a thread asking for some vampire crabs and another on how to set up an aquaterrarium...

Huff :( I'd gladly pay for someone to post them to me! :(

Where are you Squiggly?

Don't tease with these things! How much are they? Would you consider shipping me a trio?

Hmm, I've warmed to them. I've been looking for some vampire crabs for months now and these seem like the easier option... I just can't find anything about them except for sales sites and then the info is mixed. :roll:

Found these on ebay and wonders ed if anyone had given them a go? I like the look but £25 seems steep? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Micro-spider-crab ... 1|294%3A50

Now that I do like, snap the end of a lily pipe and silicone one to the end, bish bash bosh!