Majsa
Member
Hi all,
This is my first post on this forum, I really wished I could have started with a happier subject. And sorry for the long post..
I have about a 4-5 month old Eheim Proxima 175L (70x50x50 cm) with:
Plants: Java Fern, Anubias, Vallisneria, mosses and some crypto's
Ferts: EI + EasyCarbo (spot treating some BBA)
Tech: Eheim 2x 24W T5, Eheim 2373 (350T) using spray bar, CO2, Eheim skimmer 24h on
- I know, low tech plants in a higher tech setup...
Fauna: 15 Neon Tetra's, 10 Oto's, 11 Amano shrimp and the few Kubotai's left...
So I had the Neon's & Amano's (since 2 months) and 6 Oto's (since one week) and went to a LFS on Friday to purchase 4 more Oto's and 18 M Kubotai's, bringing my stocking level to 76%. I asked if that would be too much fish in one go, but the person at the store said this wouldn't be a problem. Acclimatized them and everything seemed OK. I really liked the M Kubotai's, I had been dreaming of having them for months.
The next day (yesterday) I noticed some of the M Kubotai's had ragged fins but since I wasn't really familiar on their behaviour yet, I thought they were not acting too bad. I had seen a Kubotai to swim with the Oto's up and down the glass but thought he just needed to settle and find his mates. I thought of preventing any problems with a dose of eSHA 2000, which I thought would be safe. The water turned greenish but so far so good.
Maybe that was a fatal decision? 6 hours or so later, I saw three Kubotai's die in a very short period of time. The pattern was quite clear: one drops off the group, starts swimming up and down rapidly against the glass under the spray bar and in just a few minutes he's gone. I panicked, didn't know what to do and performed an emergency 50% water change, thinking I have poisoned the fish with the eSHA. This seemed to help, I thought, watching the fish for an hour or so and no one died. I went to bed but having difficulty to sleep (stress!), I check the fish in the middle of the night and had 14 Kubotai's left. I saw a Neon starting the dance and I heard myself shouting "No, not the Neons!..." In the morning I performed another 25% WC still thinking that I had poisoned the fish and during the day many more Kubotai's died. 2-3 bad ones I euthanised, hoping they would not affect the others. At the moment I have only 5 M Kubotai's left! Other fish and shrimp are seemingly unaffected.
I am really upset about all this, I think I should have called the LFS instead of using the eSHA but I thought I could handle this myself. After the treatment I saw the fish deteriorating, one had a big white patch at the base of the back fin and many had the base of tail turning reddish/brown. They must have been sick in the first place, didn't I look good at the store? Or is there something in my tank? I thought I would have enough oxygen with the spray bar and the skimmer. I don't have an ammonia test but NO2 was OK when testing. The Neons are fine (I think I just panicked about the one), as well as the Oto's and Amano's. One Oto seems to be extra active but I guess that's normal...
What could be the disease? Did eSHA accelerate the deaths? Do I need to fear for the other fish? I stopped the eSHA, what to do? In any case, I am calling the LFS tomorrow. Reading some posts here I thought I wouldn't need a quarantine tank, but oh I guess I was wrong...I'm so sad, I hope the Kubotai's are swimming in heavenly, well oxygenated streams. Attached some pictures, hope it worked.
Thank you so much for any responses, this is a great forum.
This is my first post on this forum, I really wished I could have started with a happier subject. And sorry for the long post..
I have about a 4-5 month old Eheim Proxima 175L (70x50x50 cm) with:
Plants: Java Fern, Anubias, Vallisneria, mosses and some crypto's
Ferts: EI + EasyCarbo (spot treating some BBA)
Tech: Eheim 2x 24W T5, Eheim 2373 (350T) using spray bar, CO2, Eheim skimmer 24h on
- I know, low tech plants in a higher tech setup...
Fauna: 15 Neon Tetra's, 10 Oto's, 11 Amano shrimp and the few Kubotai's left...
So I had the Neon's & Amano's (since 2 months) and 6 Oto's (since one week) and went to a LFS on Friday to purchase 4 more Oto's and 18 M Kubotai's, bringing my stocking level to 76%. I asked if that would be too much fish in one go, but the person at the store said this wouldn't be a problem. Acclimatized them and everything seemed OK. I really liked the M Kubotai's, I had been dreaming of having them for months.
The next day (yesterday) I noticed some of the M Kubotai's had ragged fins but since I wasn't really familiar on their behaviour yet, I thought they were not acting too bad. I had seen a Kubotai to swim with the Oto's up and down the glass but thought he just needed to settle and find his mates. I thought of preventing any problems with a dose of eSHA 2000, which I thought would be safe. The water turned greenish but so far so good.
Maybe that was a fatal decision? 6 hours or so later, I saw three Kubotai's die in a very short period of time. The pattern was quite clear: one drops off the group, starts swimming up and down rapidly against the glass under the spray bar and in just a few minutes he's gone. I panicked, didn't know what to do and performed an emergency 50% water change, thinking I have poisoned the fish with the eSHA. This seemed to help, I thought, watching the fish for an hour or so and no one died. I went to bed but having difficulty to sleep (stress!), I check the fish in the middle of the night and had 14 Kubotai's left. I saw a Neon starting the dance and I heard myself shouting "No, not the Neons!..." In the morning I performed another 25% WC still thinking that I had poisoned the fish and during the day many more Kubotai's died. 2-3 bad ones I euthanised, hoping they would not affect the others. At the moment I have only 5 M Kubotai's left! Other fish and shrimp are seemingly unaffected.
I am really upset about all this, I think I should have called the LFS instead of using the eSHA but I thought I could handle this myself. After the treatment I saw the fish deteriorating, one had a big white patch at the base of the back fin and many had the base of tail turning reddish/brown. They must have been sick in the first place, didn't I look good at the store? Or is there something in my tank? I thought I would have enough oxygen with the spray bar and the skimmer. I don't have an ammonia test but NO2 was OK when testing. The Neons are fine (I think I just panicked about the one), as well as the Oto's and Amano's. One Oto seems to be extra active but I guess that's normal...
What could be the disease? Did eSHA accelerate the deaths? Do I need to fear for the other fish? I stopped the eSHA, what to do? In any case, I am calling the LFS tomorrow. Reading some posts here I thought I wouldn't need a quarantine tank, but oh I guess I was wrong...I'm so sad, I hope the Kubotai's are swimming in heavenly, well oxygenated streams. Attached some pictures, hope it worked.
Thank you so much for any responses, this is a great forum.