Altums for the 180 gal

Discussion in 'General Planted Tank Discussions' started by plantbrain, 30 Oct 2008.

  1. plantbrain

    plantbrain Expert

    Well, I saw some nice ones and they are eating like pigs..........frozen food, brine, blood worms, Mysis shrimp, live brine as well.

    I am planning on redoing the scape and reducing the plant species down to 6 or so species.
    I like the species stock list for the fish I have planned, I might get 2 more fish for a total of 9 fish.

    I need to get 4 more Royal farowellas, few more smaller cichlids, then that's done.

    The plants are chosen on the color and form of the wood contrast and the slope design I have planned.
    the plants grow too fast that way things are set up and I want a more stable scape. I have 30cm of growth per week on the L pantanal, :rolleyes:

    Too much.
    I will keep the Gloss, might consider hair grass or HC some time later, a little blyxa, Erio setaceum, R pusillus, Crypt rosanervig, Tonia belem.

    I have some small piece of wood I can add that are from this same piece and might work a bit with those.


    Yet another tank done with EI and no issues with the fish :twisted:
    Yet folks still claim all sort of baloney about it and the ppms or nutrients.

    Having kept and bred CRS's and now keeping Altums for my own personal tanks, bred discus, I have to really feel sorry for the clowns that claim otherwise, because I know the fish and add these nutrients. So if they have issues, I'm sorry, but it cannot be for the reasons they often claim.

    Tom Barr
  2. beeky

    beeky Member

    Chippenham, Wiltshire
    Wow, looks fantastic Tom. Any chance of a full tank picture?
  3. aaronnorth

    aaronnorth Member

    worksop, nottinghamshire
    nice fish, it will be intersting to see you using just 6 species in such a large tank :)
  4. Themuleous

    Themuleous Member

    Aston, Oxfordshire
    Lovely fish :)

  5. Superman

    Superman Member

    One word: STUNNING
  6. George Farmer

    George Farmer Founder Staff Member

    Tapwater, Tom?

    What's the GH/KH? Temp?

    Nice fish.
  7. misscaretaker

    misscaretaker Member

    Beautiful angels!
  8. Thomas McMillan

    Thomas McMillan Member

    Nice! Have you got a full tank shot?
  9. plantbrain

    plantbrain Expert


    That's before the power went off for 4 days (no light, not filter, no circulation and 40 C temperatures)while I was on vacation and it took a beating. I lost 50% of the fish.
    Threaten to sue the landlord who still has not fixed the electric from the 1940's :twisted:
    So I ran some wires down from the ceiling to the tanks form a large new heating circuit that was up in the attic.
    Till I move, that's all that can be done without going to court.
    It's easier to move than do that and the owner is not well off.

    So now I'm reworking the scape, so no pics till I'm a bit happy with where it is going.

    We have great tap water here, right out of the 3-4000 meter mountains, so we literally have mountain spring water. Tap is a KH of about 30ppm, Gh is about the same. I add a fair amount of Gh booster.

    I'm phasing out the pencils and going with the Altums.
    Pencils jump and act weird sometimes.

    Altums do not jump and keep the schooling separated. So the cardinals ball up more when schooling.

    I plan on adding more slope in the rear, switching to the slower growing easier to manage plants.
    The Lag's and Crypts have really thickened and filled in on the left side.
    I have a large hedge of Blyxa, not sure if I'll keep much of it, there's only one spot where I like it but I can swap for the Rotala green which I will keep in there. It can fill in as a nice hedge plant like the Bylxa and it is even brighter green.

    Riccia stones would be nice and I could get them going well and fast, but that's only temporary.
    Gloss is aggressive enough, not the color I like
    HC is nice, but these plecos and other fish will maul it before it gets rooted well.
    I still have to mow like the Gloss also with HC.
    Hair grass works and would fill in. But it's too dark and fine for what I want.
    Moss rocks, same deal.
    Too dark..........

    UG might work, but it would take a lot, a fair amount of time, be prone to uprooting and I have just a bit.
    Gloss does as well, but it's so aggressive, it fills back in fast.

    E. tennellus is too red.

    Downoi was one option, I have a fair amount in the 120, maybe 40 plants. Would take some more time, right color and low enough.

    I think I'll try the gloss first, then see.

    Tom Barr
  10. altaaffe

    altaaffe Member

    Thornhill, Egremont, Cumbria
    Shame about the Leckie problems Tom, tank was looking great. Are you in a position to get a refund of the landlord?
  11. Thomas McMillan

    Thomas McMillan Member

    Oh, I've seen that tank on your blog before! It's got one of the best hardscapes I've ever seen. I think It'll look even better when the plants fill in more and there's more height to them.
  12. steve2tanks

    steve2tanks Member

    That looks like the tank i took inspiration from to start my dsm with my hc,i only wish mine looked half as good :D
  13. TDI-line

    TDI-line Member

    Yaxley, Peterborough
    Stunning fish and beautiful scape Tom.
  14. sari

    sari Member

    Basingstoke, U.K.
    Absolutely gorgeous! Shame about the losses though, hopefully you have a chance of some refund at least from your landlord.
  15. plantbrain

    plantbrain Expert

    Yanked out a lot of plant biomass yesterday.
    Who knew I had fish in here?

    I planted mostkly Gloss in a large field. Plecos promptly have gone after it, but I think it can grow in pretty good in 2-3 weeks if I keep after it and replant as they yank it up.

    I think the design will look better with an open lower growing layout.
    I have a Dutch style weed chocked cess pool for the 120, so there's not lack of difference if both look the same:)

    I also have considered adding more blyxa as a low background plant along the back right side(1/2). But Tonia is nice.
    I removed the pantanal, infernal weed, but folks like paying $ for it and like the red color. I added some to the 120 gal instead.

    If I do the Tonia, it needs kept low and a nice dome shape.
    I trim it about 2x a month. It has a nice look to it. Erio setaceum and Tonia manuas are a couple of others I have not home for, but I like the belem better than the manuas.

    I added another 9 liters worth of aDA AS on the back to give the slope more rise and moved the AS in the front and pulled it back.

    I might forgo the HQI MH's altogether and lower the light fixture some.
    I have 96W x 4 on here and using the PAR meter, it's pretty good and even lighting.
    I only run the HQI's for 5 hours anyway(10 for the PC's).

    Tom Barr
  16. Thomas McMillan

    Thomas McMillan Member

    Personally, I wouldn't go for a low layout but I'm sure it would look great all the same. ;)

    Keep us posted.
  17. plantbrain

    plantbrain Expert

    Added 4 more for a total of 11 fish now.

    Tom Barr

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