[HELP!] Pangio oblonga strange mark/dying

[Walt1908]

Just got home and i noticed an old oblonga 'sick'.
Heavy breathing, red gills.

Just now it was against the glass so i took a few pics and i noticed a strange 'damage' on his skin. Not sure if it is some fungus. Rest of the crew is 100% ok but so was this fellow also yesterday...

On his back it looks like a parasite/worm but i am not sure what it is...

He is not swimming crazy, just being 'ill'.

I have never seen this in my life. Hope someone puts me on the right track.

 

[Fishfur]

Just got home and i noticed an old oblonga 'sick'.
Heavy breathing, red gills.

Just now it was against the glass so i took a few pics and i noticed a strange 'damage' on his skin. Not sure if it is some fungus. Rest of the crew is 100% ok but so was this fellow also yesterday...

On his back it looks like a parasite/worm but i am not sure what it is...

He is not swimming crazy, just being 'ill'.

I have never seen this in my life. Hope someone puts me on the right track.

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This isn’t likely to have happened overnight - but fish are too good at looking like all is well when all is definitely not well.

That worm looking beastie may be a parasite gone astray where it normally doesn’t belong. It may have found its way to leave the body. It sure doesn’t look like an anchor worm.

Taken together with the laboured breathing & gill inflammation plus the lesion on the underside, my feeling is that this poor fish is at the end of its journey through life.

If it belonged to me I’d euthanize it rather than attempt to treat it.

 

[Bradders]

Just got home and i noticed an old oblonga 'sick'.

How old would you estimate?

Looking at a close-up, I don't think that is a worm, but rather deterioration of the outer skin. You can see similar worm-like patterns in the skin, but blended with the fish colour.

My best guess (and this IS a best guess as online diagnosis is hard) is that:

1. Old age
2. Bacterial infection

 

[Fishfur]

How old would you estimate?

Looking at a close-up, I don't think that is a worm, but rather deterioration of the outer skin. You can see similar worm-like patterns in the skin, but blended with the fish colour.

My best guess (and this IS a best guess as online diagnosis is hard) is that:

1. Old age
2. Bacterial infection

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Better detail than I could see - I think you’re right.

 

[Walt1908]

Thanks guys really appreciated! 👊

My guess would be between 5/7 years since i have several more.
Regarding the pattern, that i didnt know.

So just finished dinner and i got a different view on the situation.
I got a clear view on his belly and i am certain that it is some kind of fungus.
You can see clearly several threads coming out of the infected area.



He was lying in an outer corner of my tank so there is some algae on the glass.

So i just canceled my plans for tonight and i am trying for some serious damage control. Not sure i can save my litlle friend but im sure to get a grip on the situation.

I only try to use medicins when really needed and i think think this is such a situation.

So. Im going to remove the active coal in in one of my filters and start a esha cure tonight...

 

[Bradders]

So. Im going to remove the active coal in in one of my filters and start a esha cure tonight...

I assume you mean active charcoal?

He was lying in an outer corner of my tank so there is some algae on the glass.

Algae is not a problem

In my opinion, the visible issue you see is secondary to the actual problem (of which I cannot work out what it is). It's almost like a (somewhat advanced) wound. You can clearly see "life" scavenging dead stuff in the photo.

There seems to be a radiation point from (what I call) the "wound" to the surrounding skin.

 

[Walt1908]

Yeah sorry, active charcoal, carbon.

But im with you. First i thought it was some kind of damage but i dont have sharp rocks, fish etc what could caused that.

I also noticed some finrot now.

So for now im not taking any chances so i removed the carbon from my filters and started an esha 2000 cycle.

Lets see how it goes from here. Keep you guys updated.

 

[Walt1908]

Just to let you guys know i just ended my old buddy his misery. sigh
I have for over 40 years aquariums but i hate this to the bone. Luckely it happens rarely for me to do this.

The esha cure is for damage control.

Ill try to figure out what it was and if i get any answers ill post them here.

 

[Bradders]

Sorry to hear that, Walt. 🙁 Gutted.

 

[Walt1908]

Woke up this night and couldnt sleep anymore. So i figured out to look for an cause.

And after some research and putting all the ends together i came to the following conclusion:

Damage to his belly, probably a scratch to a rock, followed by a case of saprolegnia.
But. Still could be a bacterial issue at first.

Interesting read regarding saprolegnia:
10.7. Fish Saprolegnia

As you might know pangio's can get scared easely and then they can speed away. Think this guy swam over something edgy and it caused a wound.

So @Bradders , it seems you were right saying the fungus looked like a secondairy issue.

Some things regarding saprolegnia:
-Basically a water mold.
-White filaments with spores on top.
-Disease will progress very rapidly.
-Will 'attack' often one fish in the tank.
-Prognosis is very bad. Most fish will die.

Esha seems to be a good medicine for this situation. Will be closely watching my tank like a hawk...