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Ideal size / proportions for new tank?

Michael1212

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I am renovating my condo, and will have space to put insert a long fish tank into the wall separating my study from my living room. I now know that the maximum dimensions the tank can be are: 1800mm long, 850mm wide, 500mm high. The tank will be visible from both sides, but not from above.

While the length is pretty much fixed, I can play with the width and height . Are there any artistic 'rules' that determine attractive proportions? Golden ratio mumbo jumbo etc. Should I just go for max size? I suspect that reducing the width by 20cm so I can show off a slight wall recess might be more attractive.

Super excited to tackle the challenge of making a two way visible scape that looks alright.

Would love to hear everyone's opinion.

Thanks,

Michael.
 
The artistic point of view might be different but I would consider the practical side of things as well. The deeper your tank the harder you will find it to get good lighting levels down to the substrate as well as getting good flow. These two things are especially important for carpeting plants it seems.

It also depends a bit on what kind of fish you like to keep, angelfish and discus will need a lot more tank height than bottom dwellers who only utilise width and length of the tank. Maybe you want to focus more on the aquascaping side of aquarium keeping where the fish are usually tetras and less specialised species.

Think about how you want to set up the flow of your aquarium, if youre going high tech this will be very important to get right. If the tank is visible from both sides consider where the equipment will be placed without being an eyesore.

Water tends to lose velocity the further it has to travel from your filter outlet, unless im completely mistaken.

For me personally I would take the 50 height since it will be a big tank, and make it at least 50-60 cm wide since you probably need foreground and midground planting space on both sides. I think a recess from the wall sounds nice as well. Maybe someone can chime in with some aquascaping-fu on how long a length is the best ratio for this height.
 
Thanks for the input Hufsa. In terms of the flow, I plan to run a sump filter, with water coming in on one side of the tank and leaving on the opposite side. This should hopefully ensure I get a uniform water movement across the length of the tank. My focus will be on the scape with fish being secondary. Looking to be using mainly wood and sand, and some rock; plants undecided.
 
...determine attractive proportions?
mumbo jumbo etc.

Yes. I will ask my spirit guide and consult the starts tonight.
I also have an antique book called Dreams and Omens by James Ward. If you would like to get into a nice deep transcendental sleep and drop me a message in the morning, then I'll have a go at interpreting what you should do based upon how this might predict your future. For example, if you see a spinning spider in your dream then this could mean "money to come". If you see a fish tank behind the spinning spider then you are likely to win the IAPLC. Just pay attention to the dimensions suggested in your dream. But if you see dead fish in the tank, then you should watch out for "quarrels and disappointments".
 
Settle down there Simon, I might crack a rib from laughing so much. Seriously though, I get your point about attractiveness being subjective. That said there is a reason why certain tank proportions are popular. Inserting this into a wall further complicates it. I think I'll just build a cardboard mockup to get a better sense of the space.
 
Settle down there Simon, I might crack a rib from laughing so much. Seriously though, I get your point about attractiveness being subjective. That said there is a reason why certain tank proportions are popular. Inserting this into a wall further complicates it. I think I'll just build a cardboard mockup to get a better sense of the space.

I suspect what you are thinking of the the Golden Ratio, which uses a series of decreasing rectangles to a specific mathematical ratio of ~1.6:1 :-

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It is well documented that humans, for some reason, find objects and compositions that fit well within the Golden Ratio to be the most naturally attractive and balanced, and there are a great many highly attractive things both man made, and occurring in nature that conform closely to the Golden ratio - it's a fascinating subject all on it's own, so probably a discussion for another thread.

One of the most common tank sizes, the 60P size made famous by ADA is 60cm x 36xm; 60/36 = 1.66, Though I don't know if that is by chance or design.

Rather than the tank size, though, its the application of the hardscape layout that will determine whether the composition fits within the Golden ratio - should you decide on that as a valid design objective, so at 1800 x 500 for your tank, you should be fine, you would just need to use multiples of the golden ratio, like this - this is one of my favourite longer tank layouts by Dave Chow:

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Which very closely fit the golden ratio:

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Arguably even with a third central overlay it fits even better:

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But then it also works to the rule of thirds also:

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A lot of artwork seems to fit within the Golden Ratio also, and a lot of artists naturally settle on a composition or design that just looks 'right' to them - so I suspect they don't intentionally try and get things to fit within the Golden Ratio or rule of thirds, it just ends up that way. Indeed if we look at @Konrad Michalski hardscape competition winning entry from last month - maybe Konrad can confirm if he intentionally used the Golden Ratio, as the design fits very well:

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For those of us without that natural artistic ability (and I include myself in that) the rule of thirds and the Golden Ratio can be useful to help choose focal points or break up a hardscape design into sections. Ultimately though its not a hard and fast rule.

Sorry for rambling here - it's just been an area of interest for me recently as I have been wrestling with ideas for my own new 1500 x 450 tank.

In terms of your tank, think of practicalities too. 1800 x 500 is a large tank, if you make it 850 wide too, then is becomes a very large tank - that's 765 litres, so a 382 litre water change each week. Maintenance will almost be like maintaining two 1800mm tanks. Personally I'd go narrower at around 600mm and with an island style design, you can create contrasting views from each side with some careful planning.
 
Thanks for the insights Wookii. Overlaying the spiral onto those images is reminiscent of technical trading, but there is no denying that the scapes are stunning. I was looking a bit more into this and I found it interesting that the standard aspect ratio for computer monitors and TVs have varied over time. And for paintings and photography there is no hard standard. It supports the view that it the scape composition can make almost any aspect ratio work.

With that in mind, I'm leaning towards 1800 long, 750 width, 400 high. The idea being to create a long horizontal line feature on the wall. The shallow depth will also make maintenance easier, and the wider base will give me flexibility in scaping something to view from two sides.

Very relevant point on water changes; I will be automating this as I hate carrying buckets.

@alto, thanks for sharing this channel. Watching it as I type.
 
If possible do a mock up with cardboard (stop by IKEA ;) )

I’d suggest minimum 45cm high - looking at Green Aqua display aquariums and various others (including a custom tank at lfs that was a 90cm tube, and then only 35cm high - the dimensions just looked very strange)

It depends what sort of fish you want to keep - if you like angelfish, discus or similar tall fish, then I’d go with a 50-60cm height
I’ve had 53cm tall tanks for years and have kept various fish that I’m completely surprised when other people mention they are “jumpers” / well known for jumping etc
(note I also don’t feed floating foods or flake)

Once you add even just 10cm substrate (which I’d suggest as a minimum for deep rooting plants such as Echinodorus, Crytpocoryne ... even most stem plants will easily develop 10cm deep roots) then the display height becomes only 30cm
 
Just my 2c on the topic! My friend has a tank in the wall (it's gorgeous) and it is a reef tank. The only downside is that the distance from the roof to the tank and the height of his tank prevents him from doing any intense cleaning.

Consider maintenance 10000000% ... even now I have a 60cm tall with no constraints and it is deep to put my arm in (it is possible, but it's not easy peasy).

Can't wait to see the journal!

EDIT: I just saw the 500mm ... so your max is 50 cm ... perfect height (then add the substrate depth to help with your arm stretching!)

Josh
 
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