I'm sick of these dogs!!!

[tyrophagus]

Ghostworld I am appalled at your lack of empathy towards an animal. You picked up that brick because you wanted to use it given the opportunity. You managed to drop an 80kg dog with a brick. I see dogs that are in road traffic accidents that are still walking mate. Your sick mate! You need help.

I'm no fan of the 'type' of person who has a 'status dog'. However I know a lot of good people who have Staffies and other potentially aggressive dogs. These dogs are not aggressive unless their owners don't socialise them properly between 7 - 18 weeks of age. It's the owner that makes the dog aggressive either intentionally or because the don't understand the need to socialise the dog during it's critical socialisation period.

I don't like aggressive or uncontrolled dogs who cause problems. I see them every day I'm my job as a vet.

 

[ghostsword]

I picked up a brick because I know what a dog can do. Have you even been bitten by a dog? I have all the empathy for the animal, but I value my bones and flesh much better. And just as well that I had the brick, wish I had a gun as I would have shoot him instead.

Had that dog come even close to biting me I would have killed him, no mistake about that, a couple of kicks on the right place would have done the job. A dog that is out of control should not be on the streets, how many people have been mauled by dogs in the UK, some even to death?

Also this was on a road that leads to a school, a primary school, so would be better to have been a child on my position, right? Yeah, wait for a kid to take a couple of stitches or be killed for something to happen.

Either you are naive or don't read the news, but just google dogs attacks UK and you will see.

There is no way that I would put the welfare of the animal ahead of mine, and had the dog not lunged at me he would not have been bricked. Very sad situation, but would have been better to be mauled for a dog that must have weight at over 40kg? Easy for you to say that from the comfort of your home, but maybe you would not have said the same if it was in front of you.

I have nothing against working dogs, I trained military dogs for over 5 years. Started working with dogs at 17, and left the military police at 24.

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The fault is the owners for not controlling the animal, but there would be no way that I would be taken down by a dog that can kill me because people like you think that I have no empathy for the animal, sorry, that is just not acceptable.

I pass the road often where the dog was, seen him twice, but now he is on a leash and muzzled.

My neighbor got a puppy, a cross of a rottie and GSD, lovely looking pup, of about 12 weeks old. Was talking to her today, and she proudly remarked that her pup jumped and barked at someone that approached her pram. Also the dog was play fighting with her 2 year old daughter, so sweet, brought the kid down and bit her hard, only lightly, just playing she said, as I was admiring her dog this morning. I did remind her that the dog would grow, and that one day might play rougher and take a hand off.

That is the culture on the country, have a large dog, that barks and scares people. Then have clever people like yourself telling others that it is ok, just take a bite, the thing was only weighting half your body weight, and poor animal thingy, not his fault really. Yeah... you do that, you stay put when a large dog tries to take a chunk out of you.

Well, if a dog comes at me it better get me unawares, anything above my knee can do a lot of damage, and there is no way that I will feel much empathy for the poor animal and get a couple of stitches for the pleasure.

 

[roadmaster]

Have owned Pit bull's and rotwieller's since I was very young, and in order to sell them,,one must socialize the dog's from eight weeks on, or I could not sell them but to those who were interested in pitting them against other dogs for sport /money.These two breed's are no more dangerous than a Yorkie if one takes the time to train,socialize them, but too many won't .
Here in the U.S., nearly every city in my state, requires that dogs in public be on a leash and those who wish to keep potentially dangerous animal's whether it be a lion cub or pit bull are often times required to carry hefty insurance.
most of this is a direct result of irresponsible owner's.
Can't fault the animal that knows no better, so the owner's are being held more accountable as it should be in my view.

Ghostworld,you had option's other than that which was chosen. You also have right to stroll down a public street.
Had the dog in question been my dog,, Well ....

 

[ghostsword]

Of course I had a choice, walk back and find another road or protect myself. I chose to protect myself.

Again, got nothing against working dogs, after all I trained attack dogs for a long time.

But when walking on the street if you have a dog then it is your responsibility to control the dog.

Now you have dogs and you imply that you would retaliate if the same happened to your dog. Would you really blame someone if one of your dogs attacked someone on the street and that person defended herself?

In the UK it is easier to call the police after an incident such as this, in the US as people can carry guns probably your dog would be shot.

In Portugal, where I am from, that dog would be put down, if not by the police by the victim.

Start thinking about people and the impact a bad socialized dog can have.

Had it been a spaniel or a staff probably a kick would do, but something large needed to be brought down well before it reached me. It's fate was sealed when it jumped at me with teeth showing and running towards me.

I love dogs, but I am not blind by love, I know and have seen what a dog can actually do.


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[niknaksky]

staffies are loyal and friendly dogs.

The problem is the muppets that think all staffies are bad or the ass holes who dont bring them up right.

They should just make it that if your dog is out of control and wondering about unsupervised you get a warning 3 strikes and you get banned from keeping animals simple.

edited my post as these things can get quite heated ( mainly me lol)

 

[niknaksky]

 

[ghostsword]

You are totally right, Staffies are amazing dogs, and I truly recommend a staffie as a family dog. Great with kids, very gentle but sturdy.

The issue with all dog problems are the owners, the dogs are just doing what they were breed to do, unless there is a mental instability, I have heard of dogs being medicated for depression, irrational fear, and such things.

I believe that the issue on the country is the yobs that started to see dogs as a status symbol. Where I live, in East London, I now see a lot of guys with Akitas, very good looking dog, imposing, but I do not see the dog as being a guard dog, or an attack dog. Had they had Malinois, beaucerons, or bouviers, then I would see them differently, but Akitas?

One that is missing on the London streets are Boerboels, and just as well that they did not clock on to those yet.

 

[howanic]

Had that dog come even close to biting me I would have killed him, no mistake about that,

So the dog didn't come close to biting you and you still dropped him with a brick?

As I walked on the road, and saw the dog looking at me like he wanted business I picked up a brick. As I walked past the guy the dog lunged at me an promptly I threw the brick at him,

This is what I mean by taking responsibility for oneself. You realised the dog was a potential threat, you say that he was uncontrolled by the owner but you still walked past it. Would you still have walked past it if you were unarmed?

I cannot understand people that take risks then blame someone else.

As a child I was always told to never touch a dog without the owners permission. Obviously any dog that is a risk should ideally be muzzled, but you have to take precautions. If I approached a dog and got bitten am I not at least partially to blame?

 

[roadmaster]

Of course I had a choice, walk back and find another road or protect myself. I chose to protect myself.

Again, got nothing against working dogs, after all I trained attack dogs for a long time.

But when walking on the street if you have a dog then it is your responsibility to control the dog.

Now you have dogs and you imply that you would retaliate if the same happened to your dog. Would you really blame someone if one of your dogs attacked someone on the street and that person defended herself?

In the UK it is easier to call the police after an incident such as this, in the US as people can carry guns probably your dog would be shot.

In Portugal, where I am from, that dog would be put down, if not by the police by the victim.


Start thinking about people and the impact a bad socialized dog can have.

Had it been a spaniel or a staff probably a kick would do, but something large needed to be brought down well before it reached me. It's fate was sealed when it jumped at me with teeth showing and running towards me.

I love dogs, but I am not blind by love, I know and have seen what a dog can actually do.


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First off,,none of my dogs would behave in this manner unless the scenario you described took place..
Stranger approache's dog's master, stranger then pick's up brick, and continue's to approach dog's master.
I would have expected my dog to react accordingly, and would have put the animal down had it failed me in the scenario you described.

 

[ghostsword]

I believe that you should protect your self if attacked by a dog as long as you are sure the dog is going to attack you and not just say hello( i suppose teeth showing is a give away).
My dogs love to say hello to other people but never show their teeth or any aggressive behaviour.
The guy with the mastiff must have know his dog was aggressive if he did not want the police involved i would imagine.
I feel sorry for the fool that thinks he could attack any of my dogs as he and any of his family members would be severly beaten adult or not.

Come on, I know how to identify when a dog is coming at me or not, he did not come to say hello. Unless it was a mad dog that says hello by grunting and runs at you with teeth showing. Of course he could have come all the way to me and turn back, but I did not want to take that chance with a dog that must have been over 30kg and running at me. Had it been a smaller dog I would just stood still and see what it would do, but nothing that big, one bite and it would have done damage. With the funny laws here, the guy would at most get a fine, or if I was killed get manslaughter, and then what?

Maybe I should have called the police as well, but I felt that the vet bills for his dog was punishment enough.

It is easy to say you would do this or do that, but if one of your dogs attacks someone on the I do hope that you have the decency to put it down, at least in the UK. On other countries I do not know how it works.

I still say when one walks their dog carry a stick, just in case there are ignorant people that does not care if their dogs do damage or not.

 

[ghostsword]

Had that dog come even close to biting me I would have killed him, no mistake about that,

So the dog didn't come close to biting you and you still dropped him with a brick?

As I walked on the road, and saw the dog looking at me like he wanted business I picked up a brick. As I walked past the guy the dog lunged at me an promptly I threw the brick at him,

This is what I mean by taking responsibility for oneself. You realised the dog was a potential threat, you say that he was uncontrolled by the owner but you still walked past it. Would you still have walked past it if you were unarmed?

I cannot understand people that take risks then blame someone else.

As a child I was always told to never touch a dog without the owners permission. Obviously any dog that is a risk should ideally be muzzled, but you have to take precautions. If I approached a dog and got bitten am I not at least partially to blame?

The dog came close enough, about 2 meters. That was enough for me, a mastiff running at you with teeth showing and close enough to get bricked is enough reason for me.

Had I not seen the brick I would not have past the dog, would not risk it. I saw the dog looking at me, and was not sure that he would try to have at go at me.

So I would just have turned back? It because people think like that that we are the situation we are, all it takes is for one person not to do something. And this about 200 meters from a primary school.

But frankly I really do not care much what you think, I did what it had to be done.

Yes, I could have turned back, but didn't.

Yes, I could have waited for the dog to bite me, but didn't.

Yes, I could have give him a biscuit after he had taken a piece of me, but choose do brick him on the sides.

 

[niknaksky]

Luis i was not directing that at you it was in general. lol a dog grunting hello would be worth seeing.

It depends on if the person deserved to be bitten if i would have punched them for the same reason my dog bite them then no I would not put them down.

If the dog was to attack for no reason then the dog would not be safe so yes it would be put down.

alot of people get bitten because of doing stupid things to dogs and then the dog gets put down I would like to see that swapped round.

I agree with the stick thing I am normaly wary of other peoples dogs when not on the lead even though mine maybe able to handle it I still dont like the risk of them getting hurt.

The main problem is to many irresponsible people keeping dogs.

 

[ghostsword]

Yeah, some dogs are just grunting. That one was really having a go at me. Had the dog been small I would have taken a chance, been bitten more times than I can remember, so another nip would not hurt much, but this one was big, with a big mouth and lots of teeth. A bite from that would for sure cramp my style!

But yes, the issue is the owners. I see on parks guys with dogs off the leash, and I saw a quite large mix dog, looked like a boxer, but with a bigger muzzle take down a king charles, one bite and broke the small dog back. No bark, no growl, nothing, walked up to the dog, bit him, shook and walked away. The king charles was on the leash, the girl walking it just collapsed. The weirdest thing I have ever seen. The king charles did not die, but couldn't get up.

 

[JenCliBee]

Yet again it seems staffs are getting bad press... hmmmm... funny that it always seems to come from people that have yap yap dogs like yorkies and have no experiences with staffs themselves except from when they seem them with the chavs walking in gangs.... when will these dogs every get a break.

I currently have two very loyal loving staffs with my 2 young kids and not once in 3 years have my dogs ever come close to anything more aggressive than a lick. We have had around 12 staffs in my family over a 20 year period and surprise..... not one incident with children or other dogs.


Before you start slagging off a very very loyal beautiful dog like a staff, see how many incidents there are involving little yap yap dogs when you go to the park.... go and see which starts barking first.... go and see which dogs react when walking past, i guarantee it wouldn't be a staffs.

End of rant, just cant stand people slagging dogs off they have no knowledge of themselves and fit all staff owners into the same 'chav' category.... completely ridiculous.

Oh and to always have your dog on a lead in public, behave will you..... so you think a dog is getting enough exercise constantly on a lead?...... my dogs go out twice a day for around 1 hour each time of nice energetic ball chasing exercise.... you think there going to get anything like this sort of exercise on a lead constantly.... if anything, keeping a dog continuously on a lead is irresponsible.... lack of exercise causes frustration and this would be the main contributory factor of why dogs bite and run riot.


To the OP, if you dont like walking your dogs in places when other dogs are off the lead then make sure you go somewhere where dogs have to be on leads instead of making silly threads up slagging dogs down that you have no experience with.

Oh and btw, i would much rather have a staff round my kids than a snappy yap yap any day.

 

[GreenNeedle]

no jen you've missed the point. people are saying its the owners. When I was walking my greyhound across thelocal park on its leash a staff ran up and was trying to bite him. Like Luis above it got a kick and a shout to the owners 100 yards away 'Sort this ***** out'. To which I got some looks like I was in the wrong.

Not the dogs fault. It was the owners.

As for the well trained blah blah.

My mum and dad had a beautiful lertcher bitch. Was 8 years old before it got kidney failure and was put down however it was great with me and my sister as young children. could walk her off the lead and she was really well behaved.

Even though she was neutered she went through several phantom pregnancies and on one occasion bit one of my mum's piano pupils on the little finger as she left the house.drew blood but no damage really. Never did anything prior nor after this event but to say that a well trained dog is safe is a falsehood. She had that one moment of madness and that could have been the end for her!!!

Andy

 

[J Butler]

Now about the funny dogs people have on this country, those hard man dogs. Once I went to pick my daughter at her school ad on the corner o my eye I saw a dogue de bordeux eyeing me, his owner was not prepared for the dog. As I walked on the road, and saw the dog looking at me like he wanted business I picked up a brick. As I walked past the guy the dog lunged at me an promptly I threw the brick at him, hit him on the ribs and for sure broke a couple as he just dropped and wouldn't get up...

Hi Luis,

I think a lot of the bewilderment stems from your original post, that made it sound like the dog was on a leash next to the owner when it lunged at you. If you picked up a brick and walked past the pair in that situation, then I find that unacceptable.

Come on, I know how to identify when a dog is coming at me or not, he did not come to say hello. Unless it was a mad dog that says hello by grunting and runs at you with teeth showing...

If the dog was running at you in that manner however, I have a lot more empathy for you.

 

[nayr88]

I have what is considered a yap yap dog...funny how people say anything that doesn't look scary when you approach it is a yap yap dog...works both ways buddy. And as stated before is said it not just staffs and I have also said in keep my little toy dog on a lead as thy do have teeth and a jaw and if a small child runs up to them my dog on hind legs would reach there face. So I do my bit with my dogs why cat they, Jen it always seems you take these threads like a personal attack instead of having a discussion. As for walking my dog where other are on the lead....how about the fact I'm talking to my local shops on the highstreet??

Read things properly.

I've owned staffs I've been around big dogs all MY experiences are good. Just seems a few ruin it for the most

Wether you like it or not there is a problem with staffs especially in council areas, this thread was just a discussion to say well there's a problem and it's a hard one but surely there must be a way of getting a grip on this.

I think it for sure is the fact that each dog has a different rate or fuse and the dogs with a shorted fuse need to be tough that the fuse can not burn at the wrong time.

This is where owners fail there dogs not the dogs failing the owner. I LOVE staffs and if the opportunity arose where I could afford one and found a good breed I would take one on, I was brought up with one. It knew it's place and was an excellent dog.

The dogs in the park situation should be that if you want to take it off it's lead then you need to have the insurance details on you to show it's insured or maybe a license that shows you took that dog to a boarding school and he past his exams and so did you with that dog.
Otherwise the lead stays on and is spiked to the ground.

I don't think that's asking to much?

For the sake of saving some kids and other dogs being mauled I would spend 50 quid on taking my lite toy dog to a few classes so that the chavs and wrongens either did it also and thus making there dog a little safer or they didnt and then didn't go to the park, or risk it and get there dog takern away or hefty on the spot fine.

 

[nayr88]

Fair co
Met if you dog needs to be of the lead, I'm sure your a responsible owner, but would taking your dog to an hour class to proove this be that bad? That way the 200 chavs that dont do r and can't take there dogs out in public of the lead won ruin the rep of what I know as a caring beautiful breed.


Let's keep this chat a nice discussion, I like to heat other views and maybe we can com to a conclusion, in by asking you what you think of this dog or that in aski g what can we do about the few ruining the reputation of many?

Maybe we could get a good idea and push for a petition?

Would be good and I don't want thinto turn into a 'row' and getting closed.

 

[ghostsword]

Yep, no need to turn into a row.

If I had the time one of breeds I would look at getting had to be a staff, I think that they are the best dogs for families with kids. They are actually the few dogs that were originally breed not to bite people but other dogs.

The reason we don't have a dog is because we are out of the house at 8am and only return at 5pm, a long time for the dog to be alone.

Maybe having a do license? In Portugal they use to have dog licenses, no license and your dog was impounded. It had to be renewed every year at the local council. Maybe the same can be implemented here?

But when a dog is antisocial why not call the police? Have a read of the dangerous dogs act, very though on owners.


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[JenCliBee]

I have what is considered a yap yap dog...funny how people say anything that doesn't look scary when you approach it is a yap yap dog...works both ways buddy. And as stated before is said it not just staffs and I have also said in keep my little toy dog on a lead as thy do have teeth and a jaw and if a small child runs up to them my dog on hind legs would reach there face. So I do my bit with my dogs why cat they, Jen it always seems you take these threads like a personal attack instead of having a discussion. As for walking my dog where other are on the lead....how about the fact I'm talking to my local shops on the highstreet??

That is a complete and utter false accusation.... to me a yap yap is a scary dog.... to me a staff isn't.... it has nothing to do with how a dog looks... if i was to walk past somebody with a yap yap then i walk wider, if i walk past a staff i ask the owner is it ok to stroke.... so no it has nothing to do with me calling a yap yap a yap yap.... it has everything to do with it actually been more vocal than your average bigger dog in general.

Read things properly


This is a quote from first post....

I had enough with these dogs running wild with there scummy owners OFF the lead, every week at least once I have a staff sprint snarling upto my pups

I indeed did read it properly, no mention of other dogs but a staff.... the other part was you never mentioned anything about just walking down the local shops. The end result of this comment is you alienated staffs simply because that is the only dog you initially mentioned, taking it personally... yes to a certain degree i did and always will because it's people like you that instantly label all staff owners as chavs where this simply isn't true.

I've owned staffs I've been around big dogs all MY experiences are good. Just seems a few ruin it for the most

Wether you like it or not there is a problem with staffs especially in council areas, this thread was just a discussion to say well there's a problem and it's a hard one but surely there must be a way of getting a grip on this.

Yes i agree, there is a problem with staffs in any area.... not just council ones..... but in all honesty, how many situations of dogs mauling others regarding staffs do you come across?..... im sure there is just as many cases of dogs barking or fights which involve alot of other species, including species like your own.

I think it for sure is the fact that each dog has a different rate or fuse and the dogs with a shorted fuse need to be tough that the fuse can not burn at the wrong time.

This is a matter of opinion, 12 staffs with no problems over a 20 year period, just lucky maybe?.... i would put it down to a very good, well cared pet which is loyal.

This is where owners fail there dogs not the dogs failing the owner. I LOVE staffs and if the opportunity arose where I could afford one and found a good breed I would take one on, I was brought up with one. It knew it's place and was an excellent dog.

This makes no sense?.... they probably cost less than the dogs you've brought.... good breed?..... why a good breed.... most specific breeders have very bad quality ... show bred dogs.... bad quality means they breed for show, stature and shape..... none of the traits needed for a good loyal family dog..... they have no temperate difference apart from the man down the round selling his staffs have probably brought his up with kids, where as the 'breeder' is breeding for reputation and in most cases money.

The dogs in the park situation should be that if you want to take it off it's lead then you need to have the insurance details on you to show it's insured or maybe a license that shows you took that dog to a boarding school and he past his exams and so did you with that dog.

My dogs are insured but even if they wasn't, they would still be off there lead.... dogs approach my dogs and you know what happens?........ they round round in circles playing.... funny really because it seems to be larger dogs that come and play.... where as little yap yap dogs come up and just bark... in sighting trouble.... yet my dogs or staffs in general get the bad press and blamed for starting it lol..... then as you have done.... get labeled as chavs, either way staff and there owners can never win.

Otherwise the lead stays on and is spiked to the ground.

I don't think that's asking to much?

Like i said and you never answered and just ranted on about other things, they dont get enough excersise on leads.... i would be like you never leaving the house.... what happens.... you get unfit, fat and grumpy..... well whats different with dogs?

For the sake of saving some kids and other dogs being mauled I would spend 50 quid on taking my lite toy dog to a few classes so that the chavs and wrongens either did it also and thus making there dog a little safer or they didnt and then didn't go to the park, or risk it and get there dog takern away or hefty on the spot fine

There you go again lol, you have categorised chavs and there chav dogs..... and what was it you mentioned.... staffs.... yet you yourself have said you have experience with them.

The thread was initially started by you, you continued to name and shame a species of dog which really doesn't deserve the reputation it has already been given thus making it even worse.

It would be nice to see these dogs getting some good press once in a while and then people would start to realise they are far from the aggressive monsters that people portray them to be .