Well what a peculiar comment Kipper, i think we will all agree that in a hobby like this it is inevitable that you will pick up ideas and experiences off of each other but to suggest that George "learned" from Planter is a weird one to say the least. Thats not to say that George couldn't learn from Planter. Is there a joke in there somewhere that i might have missed? is so then sorry but that does seem like and really strange thing to say....kipper said:very nice mr farmer planter taught you well