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GreggZ Planted Rainbow Tank!

fjord

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Hi GreggZ, and yes I remember you from TPT. As a lover of Rainbow Fish, I look forward to continuing to follow you here.

Referring to your post about water flow from the previous page, it appears the two Rena XP L’s delivers 350G/Hr (1325 Ltr/ Hr), and the Rena XP XL delivers 450 G/Hr (1700 Ltr/Hr), totaling 1150 G/Hr (4350 Ltr/Hr). All please check that my numbers are approximately correct. This gives approximately 9 water changes per hour. I thought this might be of interest for others making a comparison with other filters.

Could you possibly post the the online source for Male only Rainbows online, or PM me directly with the source info? Might they be located in the Portland, OR area?
 

SkaleyAquatics

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Hello Greggz,

I was a pretty big lurker to your journal over at TPT, only commented a few times. As your tank was a huge inspiration for me to get into high tech planted aquariums. I am glad to see you have found a new home for your aquarium journal.
 

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Hi GreggZ, and yes I remember you from TPT. As a lover of Rainbow Fish, I look forward to continuing to follow you here.

Referring to your post about water flow from the previous page, it appears the two Rena XP L’s delivers 350G/Hr (1325 Ltr/ Hr), and the Rena XP XL delivers 450 G/Hr (1700 Ltr/Hr), totaling 1150 G/Hr (4350 Ltr/Hr). All please check that my numbers are approximately correct. This gives approximately 9 water changes per hour. I thought this might be of interest for others making a comparison with other filters.

Could you possibly post the the online source for Male only Rainbows online, or PM me directly with the source info? Might they be located in the Portland, OR area?
Yep in theory with the filters unloaded that is about right. But turnover is only part of the equation. It's also in how you disperse that flow. Put it through a narrow nozzle and you have a strong turbulent flow. Put it through a wide nozzle and you have a weaker gentler flow.

Now as to Rainbows there are lots of options. Since you are in Portland I'd probably start with the WetSpot. They work with some breeders to bring in good lines of Rainbows. Next would be Imperial Tropicals out of FL. They also work with many of the top breeders in the US to offer good blood lines. With some species you can pay just a bit more and get all males.

The next option is to work with individual breeders. I know most of the them. The issue there is that they usually only have one or two species available and ready to ship at a time. They also tend to ship when the Bows are very, very small and can't be sexed.

You even have sites like Dan'sfish that gets fish from breeders and then sells them out of a central site. So there is good variety there of many "rarer" species in the hobby.

If you have something in particular you are looking for let me know and I may be able to point you in the right direction.

Hello Greggz,

I was a pretty big lurker to your journal over at TPT, only commented a few times. As your tank was a huge inspiration for me to get into high tech planted aquariums. I am glad to see you have found a new home for your aquarium journal.
Thank you and I am glad to hear it helped inspired you to get into high tech. That always warms my heart a bit as you never really know who is following and what they are thinking.

I will say from the time I started the journal to the end I sure did notice a LOT more planted Rainbow tanks popping up everywhere. And seeing their success makes all the posting worthwhile.
 

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Thank you and I am glad to hear it helped inspired you to get into high tech. That always warms my heart a bit as you never really know who is following and what they are thinking.

I will say from the time I started the journal to the end I sure did notice a LOT more planted Rainbow tanks popping up everywhere. And seeing their success makes all the posting worthwhile.
Does it count if I started a low tech tank with rainbows? LOL. In reality they are going in my first summer tub this year, hoping to have a bunch of rhadinocentrus babies.
 

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@GreggZ Am also a keen follower and have been for years.

Quick question - how do you get the plant at the back on the left hand side to stay short? Mine grow several feet long

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@GreggZ Am also a keen follower and have been for years.

Quick question - how do you get the plant at the back on the left hand side to stay short? Mine grow several feet long

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How come I hear from more people now than when the journal was still up??:D

Do you mean the Nymphoides Hydrophylla 'Taiwan'? If so I pinch the top leaves every week, which makes it get bushier and bushier and keeps it shorter. Then every once in a while I pull the whole thing and rip off about 8" or 10" then replant and the cycle repeats.

Like most plants it takes a while to understand how to trim it and bring it to good form. The good thing about this one is you can never make a bad mistake........it just grows and grows and grows.
 

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Like most plants it takes a while to understand how to trim it and bring it to good form
This is so true. I believe trimming, selection, replanting are underrated skills. I consider myself, after many years, still an absolute beginner compared to the pro's, and would welcome if this aspect got a bit more attention on this forum so that I can develop my skills. It seems to me that trimming and planting skills have more impact in the total mix of things than a few ppm of this or that.
 

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I study the FTS of your tank in detail, how different plant groups have their carefully crafted shapes and textures. I don't necessarily mean the texture of one stem, or leaves of a plant, but rather how the different stems are combined into one 'bunch' that looks interesting. And of course, as you say, every species has its own character that you need to learn and master. If I would have to do four weeks maintenance of your tank, I worry the magic would have gone already. Understand what I mean?

I have seen youtube video's on trimming, and I have some experience myself as well. But what I would be looking for is some of the great scapers giving a 'masterclass' that covers perhaps 2 months of their maintenance, with a focus on plant trimming, replanting, shaping etc. Perhaps that would be an interesting thread, where we see a bunch of photos/videos on that topic. I would be the first student :)
 

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I study the FTS of your tank in detail, how different plant groups have their carefully crafted shapes and textures. I don't necessarily mean the texture of one stem, or leaves of a plant, but rather how the different stems are combined into one 'bunch' that looks interesting. And of course, as you say, every species has its own character that you need to learn and master. If I would have to do four weeks maintenance of your tank, I worry the magic would have gone already. Understand what I mean?

I have seen youtube video's on trimming, and I have some experience myself as well. But what I would be looking for is some of the great scapers giving a 'masterclass' that covers perhaps 2 months of their maintenance, with a focus on plant trimming, replanting, shaping etc. Perhaps that would be an interesting thread, where we see a bunch of photos/videos on that topic. I would be the first student :)
You know I was thinking about that this morning when I did my weekly maintenance. In my old journal every once in a while I would document the process and I remember people always enjoyed it. There's no question different plants prefer different methods. I'll have to do that again soon.

And yes a tank like mine does take a bit more effort than other styles and is not for everyone. For me I actually enjoy the process and find it therapeutic. And more importantly I enjoy seeing the results. If someone does not enjoy the process, then it may not be the type of tank they should keep.

One thing I always say is that once you learn how to grow plants..........well, they grow. A lot. There's a reason people say "keep your sleeves wet". Because it's a big part of keeping a high tech tank.
 

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Sorry if I’ve missed it, but may I ask what raw ingredients you use to roll your own micros?
 

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Sorry if I’ve missed it, but may I ask what raw ingredients you use to roll your own micros?
Jackson here is probably more than you want to know. I've been rolling my own for quite a few years now. Like many things in life, once you figure it out you find it was not as complicated as you first thought. If you have any questions let me know.
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Like many things in life, once you figure it out you find it was not as complicated as you first thought.

The toughest part about mixing your own micros is breaking out all the baggies and a scale then mixing them up. Not complicated at all, but it's sadly not an excuse to run to a LFS to grab some fertilizer and check out new plants / fish. ;)
 

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Greggz do you have a link to the file you use to track with. As I have switched to dry fertilizer I would like to breakdown what I put in weekly.
I put together that spreadsheet years ago to help me track everything going on in my tank. Any time I make a change I take a screenshot and save it. So I can go back to any point in time and see what I was up to then.

IMO it helps to keep good records. They can prevent you from making the same mistakes over and over again.

I've been freely sharing the file for years now. You can download it at the link below and use it any way you like to suit your needs.

 

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I put together that spreadsheet years ago to help me track everything going on in my tank. Any time I make a change I take a screenshot and save it. So I can go back to any point in time and see what I was up to then.

IMO it helps to keep good records. They can prevent you from making the same mistakes over and over again.

I've been freely sharing the file for years now. You can download it at the link below and use it any way you like to suit your needs.

Thanks greggz!
 

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Jackson here is probably more than you want to know. I've been rolling my own for quite a few years now. Like many things in life, once you figure it out you find it was not as complicated as you first thought. If you have any questions let me know.View attachment 187087
Thanks for that Gregg, that’s super helpful. I just have a couple questions.
Are you mixing those into a single solution for your dosing? If so do you mix it weekly or make up a larger batch of it to save time weighing out ingredients? I guess a quick rundown of your process would be greatly appreciated if you have the time.
also what form do you get the fe gluconate in? I have found and ordered the rest of the ingredients, but my search for fe gluconate turns up both liquids and powders and those are all differing strengths.
thanks!
 

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Thanks for that Gregg, that’s super helpful. I just have a couple questions.
Are you mixing those into a single solution for your dosing? If so do you mix it weekly or make up a larger batch of it to save time weighing out ingredients? I guess a quick rundown of your process would be greatly appreciated if you have the time.
also what form do you get the fe gluconate in? I have found and ordered the rest of the ingredients, but my search for fe gluconate turns up both liquids and powders and those are all differing strengths.
thanks!
If my journal at TPT was still up I'd just point you to the page where I went over it. I make up a 1000ml solution and dose 20 ml per day so lasts about 50 days. I make the solution with RO water and add 10 ml of distilled white vinegar and 0.4 gm potassium sorbate. The gram scale is a typical jewelers model that goes to 0.01 gram. Shake it like heck every so often for a few days and keep it stored in a dark place. Mine is in a closet and I have never had any issue with mold or anything like that.

For the items that are very small amounts I create a separate 1,000 ml container (Nickel Sulfate Hexahydrate, , Copper Sulfate Pentahydrate, Sodium Molybdate) and add that to the micro 1,000 ml solution. It's a bit more math but not that bad.

The ferrous gluconate is dry.

Once you do it once you will see how easy it is.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
 
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